[MD] Truth and Relativity 2.9.9

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Well done Marsha!

That was a lot of quotes!  You are exceeding expectations.  You may
get a promotion to the next level of quote providers.  I cannot
believe our luck with you.  You are well worth your salary.  How do
you do this?  It is incredible!  What kind of training did you receive
to be able to do this in a way that seems without effort?  I suppose
it has taken many years of practice, for which I admire you.

Please continue to surprise us with more quotes than we expect. You
may set a new record!

>From all of us reading in this forum I present you with a big Bravo!
But don't get complacent.

We want more quotes! We want more quotes! We want more quotes!

That is what you get when you are good at what you do.

Just sitting on the edge of my chair, waiting like the rest of
them...Go ahead surprise us again.  Puhllleeease!?!

Mark

On 2/17/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> Some more words on conventional (relative) knowledge...
>
> "While I am thinking about it there is a very good book on Buddhism recently
> out called 'Buddhism, Plain and Simple', by Steve Hagen and published by
> Tuttle Publishing. I recommend you get it because it shows the similarities,
> between the MOQ and Zen Buddhism more clearly than any other I have seen."
>
>      (Pirsig to McWatt, May 6th 1998.)
>
>
> "THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF KNOWLEDGE and two types of views.  One consists of
> beliefs, opinions, conjectures---having an idea of something.  It's an
> intellectual grasping of concepts.  This is how we commonly think of
> knowledge.
>
> "But this is not _knowing_.  In fact, the natural results of relying on mere
> conceptual knowledge are fear, discomfort, and confusion---in short, dukkha.
>
> "We think that our beliefs and ideas can be relied on to give us
> satisfaction.  But if we examine the effects they have on us we'll discover
> that, at best, they only temporarily satisfy us.  In fact, they're actually
> our primary sources of anxiety and fear, because they're always subject to
> contradiction and doubt.
>
> "By their very nature, all our ideas and beliefs are frozen
> views---fragments of Reality, separated from the Whole.  In other words,
> because we rely on what we think (conceptual), rather than on what we _see_
> (perception) there's unrest in our mind.  Underneath it all, we're
> uneasy---and, furthermore, we _know_ it.
>
> "The fact is, we are already enlightened, even now.  We _know_ Truth.  We
> just habitually overlay our direct experience of Truth with thoughts---with
> beliefs and opinions and ideas.  We pile them all into our conceptual frame,
> not recognizing the consequences."
>
>     (Hagen, Steve, ‘Buddhism: Plain and Simple’, pp. 110-111)
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