[MD] aggregates of grasping

[Carl Thames]

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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] aggregates of grasping


> Mark:
> There are senses outside the 5 senses, but they are not as obvious,
> and are not direct chemical, pressure, or light based.

Carl:
Do you think they're quantum based?

> Quality can explain them all.

Carl:
How?

> I will agree with you on the overload.  Sometimes
> it seems to me that every bit of knowledge only takes one farther away
> from that source of knowledge.  The sq overpowering the DQ.  This is
> why I state that there is a need for a rebalance.  Unfortunately, many
> philosophers have forgotten that and are so removed from reality that
> they make a bad name for us armchair thinkers.

Carl:
At times, I think there is so much "noise" going on with modern philosophy 
that it's almost pointless to take a position.  So many out there are trying 
to make a name for themselves that they're coming up with all kinds of 
nonsense, and others seem to exist just to come up with bad analogies to 
shoot down anyone with an original idea.

Mark:
> One cannot live in DQ alone, and the same goes for sq.  This is why I
> claim that it is not analogies all the way down.  There is no "down"
> to analogies, since they only create things "up".  Even if we are
> looking at the nature of matter, we are creating things "up" and not
> "down".  Knowledge is like a house.  We never speak of building "down"
> a house, unless we owe more than it is worth :-).  We never try to
> analyze how it is that the house can sit on the ground.  All we do is
> build a house, and a very fine house it is for the most part.  Just
> stay away from the basement.  All sorts of pipes, electrical stuff,
> rats, gators, and cobwebs down there.  Not to mention the "surgery
> chamber" that was put in by the previous owner, right beneath that
> trap door...

Carl:
Hmmm.  Makes one wonder just where this burning desire to build comes from. 
Our great-great>10 ancestors seemed to be content living in caves, but we 
insist on building our own cave, where we want it.  I guess that's just 
practicality, though.  Plus climate control....  Then again, how many people 
question how an automatic transmission works?  We accept a LOT, including 
the stuff in the basement, and pray fervently we'll never have to replace, 
or even worse, re-create it.  We just insist that it keeps working.

Mark:
> I love to get away from it all, it helps me recharge.  Just me and my
> thoughts, like the days of man of old.  We have forgotten so much that
> often it seems that we are going farther and farther into a labyrinth
> and forgetting why we started the maze to begin with.  Once should
> always balance incoming information with the time needed to process
> it.  Elsewise we live just on the surface, and are subject to the
> waves that exist there.  I go scuba diving when I can, and it is
> great.  I am also training to be a pilot.  There are plenty of places
> to escape to that are exciting and direct.  I love to arrive in a
> foreign country with no plans what-so-ever.  Building one's parachute
> as one is free-falling from the airplane, if you will.

Carl:
I know too many people who are completely content to live on the surface. 
Give them a six pack and a sit-com, and they're as happy as it gets.  I like 
to sit beside a lake.  The water recharges me, as you say.  I started the 
ground school while I was in Korea, but my mother passed away and I had to 
drop it when I came back.  I never returned to it, although at the time I 
could have gotten a private pilot's lisence for $500 total, including plane 
rental, etc.  (I'm still kicking myself over that one.)  I also passed up 
the opportunity to scuba while on Okinawa.  I've had problems with my ears 
since childhood, and didn't want to do the pressure change thing on a 
regular basis.  As for building the parachute, keep in mind that you don't 
need a parachute to sky dive.  You need a parachute to sky dive TWICE. ;-)

Carl