[MD] Relativism, a definition

[MarshaV]

Mark,

Answer your own questions.  I merely said to Steve: "I don't believe one needs to throw out the conventional use of the word 'truth' just because truth is relative.  I don't think relativism, philosophically speaking, is a "dirty word" or a "term of abuse"."   I DO NOT think that relativism is a "dirty word" or a "term of abuse".   Am I not permitted my own opinion?   


Marsha  






On Jan 1, 2012, at 2:33 PM, 118 wrote:

> Marsha,
> Yes it is a dirty word if you think about it.  It denies Quality being absolute.  I believe your stand is nonsense, at least in terms of MoQ.  You obviously choose not to understand my posts, since you do not discuss my questions.  This is a head in the sand approach by you similar to misguided Christians who just keep throwing out verses from their Good Book.  Got any more scripture for me?  What does the great Pumba say?
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> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
> Mark
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> On Dec 31, 2011, at 10:40 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>> I didn't say anything of the sort.  Actually, I originally used the word 'relativism' in response to Steve, where I merely stated "I don't believe one needs to throw out the conventional use of the word 'truth' just because truth is relative.  I don't think relativism, philosophically speaking, is a "dirty word" or a "term of abuse"."   And, the reinterpretation as presented below, is like your opinion: nonsense.
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>> On Dec 31, 2011, at 12:43 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> What you are saying is that absolute Quality is broken down into relative terms.  Why do you say it is absolute?  That is what justification do you have for making Quality absolute if is composition is relative?  You seem to be making an illogical leap here in my opinion.  Please describe the absoluteness of Quality.  How does Quality result in relativeness?
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>>> Also, if better is relative, how can you explain that it has direction (aka the presence of levels)?  If betterness were relative it would be stagnant.
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>>> It would seem that you have not thought this through.
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>>> You can be my daddy if that is what you want.  So long as you answer my questions.
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>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>>> Mark
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>>> On Dec 31, 2011, at 1:29 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>>> On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:31 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Marsha, 
>>>>> Doesn't it seem queer to you that in the definition for relativism they use the word relative?  Maybe it is just me, but your definition doesn't define.  What varies with the individual and the environment?  Perhaps you want to keep me guessing.  If that is the case, well, you go girl!  Bet you were good with the hula hoop too, just your style.  I mean that as a compliment.
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>>>>> My definition of reality is that which is real.  You definition really isn't.  But that is just my opinion, you definition may mean mountains to you.
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>>>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
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>>>> Hello Mark,  
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>>>> relativism
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>>>> noun Philosophy .
>>>> any theory holding that criteria of judgment are relative, varying with individuals and their environments.  
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>>>> (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relativism). 
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>>>> Marsha:
>>>> No, it does not seem queer, as the definition of 'relativism' is defining the concept related to philosophical theories, or "ism".  That is why I included the dictionary definition of 'relative' with its various denotations. I particularly like No.10 that states that ""Better" is a relative term.". 
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>>>> relative 
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>>>> noun
>>>> 1. a person who is connected with another or others by blood or marriage.
>>>> 2. something having, or standing in, some relation to something else.
>>>> 3. something dependent upon external conditions for its specific nature, size, etc. ( opposed to absolute).
>>>> 4. Grammar . a relative pronoun, adjective, or adverb.
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>>>> adjective 
>>>> 5. considered in relation to something else; comparative: the relative merits of democracy and monarchy.
>>>> 6. existing or having its specific nature only by relation to something else; not absolute or independent: Happiness is relative.
>>>> 7. having relation or connection.
>>>> 8. having reference or regard; relevant; pertinent (usually followed by to ): to determine the facts relative to an accident.
>>>> 9. correspondent; proportionate: Value is relative to demand.
>>>> 10. (of a term, name, etc.) depending for significance upon something else: “Better” is a relative term.
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>>>> (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relative)   
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>>>> Marsha:
>>>> When Anthony writes:  “Intellectual values include truth, justice, freedom, democracy and, trial by jury. It’s worth noting that the MOQ follows a pragmatic notion of truth so truth is seen as relative in his system while Quality is seen as absolute.  In consequence, the truth is defined as the highest quality intellectual explanation at a given time.", I understand it to mean that the MoQ is epistemologically relative, yet judgements (betterness), within the MoQ, are made based on a static patterns placement within the evolutionary, hierarchical level-structure: inorganic, biological, social or intellectual.  
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>>>> Btw, what is your new found infatuation with the the words 'reality' and 'real'?   My definition of reality is that which is experienced(unpatterned/patterned), or Quality(Dynamic/static).
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>>>> Who's your daddy now?
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>>>> Marsha

 
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