[MD] emptiness

[MarshaV]

Mark,  

"We make them"???   They make us!!!   Unless, of course, one is mindful.   But, maybe, just for you: things momentarily non-exist as static patterns of value.

Marsha 




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On Jan 4, 2012, at 1:03 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Things do not exist as static patterns of value, that is what we make them.
> 
> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
> Mark
> 
> On Jan 2, 2012, at 8:54 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hello Ham,
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jan 2, 2012, at 2:32 AM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mark, and a Happy New Year to All
>>> On Friday, 12/23/2011 at 1:17 AM, Mark "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Ham,
>>>> I am attempting as best I can to not make Marsha feel put upon.
>>>> You know my opinion, so I can understand why you are confused.
>>>> 
>>>> Two things that inherently exist?  How about a dog and a sunflower.
>>>> I can provide more if you want, for example you exist inherently,
>>>> believe it or not.  There is nothing conventional about these things,
>>>> they are all uniquely unconventional.  Show me something
>>>> conventional and I will show you a mistake.  I have been where
>>>> you are and back.  Trust me.
>>> 
>>> Marsha has misconstrued Buddhism as a philosophy founded on nihilism, and this does an injustice to Pirsig's Quality thesis.  I had hoped to see the promised outline of your ontology over the holidays, which is why this response is delayed.
>>> 
>> 
>> Not true.  To be a nihilist, would be to believe things do not exist at all.  Things do conventionally exist; they exist as patterns of value; they exist as useful fiction (as in the tale of Nagasena and King Milinda).
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
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