[MD] Quality as the fundamental building block of reality

[Tuukka Virtaperko]

Mark,


> Mark said:
>
> One way to approach Quality is through a structural paradigm as you
> present.  That is, Quality is an essence which comprises all in a
> building block scenario.  There are other approaches however, which
> are equally intuitive.
>
> Consider the following:  Quality is a "stimulus" from which all else
> arises.  By stimulus, I can use the following analogy (one of many):
> The smell of food makes you hungy.  You then go into a restaurant and
> order a meal which you eat.  We cannot rightly say that "the smell of
> food" is a "building block" for the restaurant or eating actions you
> took, in that the smell of food does not comprise eating it
> subsequently except as a stimulus.  However, without the smell of
> food, your actions would not have happened (at least not right then).
> Now, we can argue that "the smell of food" is a property, but that is
> not how I am using it.  There are better analogies (I have to think,
> however), but hopefully this one will give you an idea.
>
> In this manner, Quality can be seen as the stimulus for everything
> that we experience.  Being Quality, it provides all the qualities of
> life.  These qualities are what we can experience, since we cannot
> experience something "directly", only its expression.  In a way, we
> can say that it is the interaction of qualities (us an others) which
> come from the fundamental ground of Quality.  If we ask where do these
> qualities come from, we can say Quality.

Tuukka:
How is this MOQ different from phenomenology?

I think the input is romantic quality and the rest of static quality is 
classical quality.

> Mark: Another answer would be that
> it is "qualities all the way down", which is the Buddhist approach to
> reality.

Tuukka:
This is a logical fallacy (turtles all the way down) and Dalai Lama said 
that if science proves an aspect of Buddhism wrong, Buddhism will have 
to change.

>
> Mark:
>
> There are many ways to explain reality.  The Western method seems to
> be a linear or structural mode.  This is of course what logic is,
> which subscribes to truths.  The Hindu method is more of a circular or
> "dance" mode, which subscribes more to narrative or rhetoric
> (remember dialectic v rhetoric from ZAMM?).  They are different
> enough, that a different woldview (Weltanschauung) can be had.  It is
> often difficult to relate the two since they are formed from different
> assumptions.  I prefer the interactive or "relational" approach rather
> than the linear or "relative" approach.  East v West as it were.
>

Tuukka:

John Wheeler was a scientist from the West, and he said a reality theory 
may not be linear, but rather, a self-excited circuit. See pages 8-11 of 
the following paper if interested:

www.iscid.org/papers/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf

Basically, what I have done is to construct a Wheeler-style reality 
theory of the MOQ. The problem with the linear model is you can't have 
arbitrary axioms in a reality theory because that would beg the question.

Thanks for your response!

-Tuukka

PS. If you want to read about my theory, see: http://www.moq.fi/?p=120 
and http://www.moq.fi/?p=166 .



>
> On 1/5/12, Tuukka Virtaperko<mail at tuukkavirtaperko.net>  wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> Let's suppose no philosophy besides the MOQ ever existed. What, then,
>> would it mean to state that everything is Quality?
>>
>> If "being Quality" is the property of any thing, the following question
>> will arise: which one is more fundamental - that thing or its property
>> of being Quality?
>>
>> Yet, if you can't identify the properties of everything, you can't
>> really state anything about it.
>>
>> Of course there are also other philosophies than the MOQ, such as SOM.
>> Therefore, it is reasonable to say that "everything is Quality", because
>> this conveys the idea that anybody who says so wishes to discuss
>> philosophy from the viewpoint of the Metaphysics of Quality, and not
>> from the viewpoint of some other doctrine. But if other doctrines would
>> not exist, I don't know what it would mean to say that "everything is
>> Quality". It's not, in a strict sense, a philosophical statement. It's
>> mostly an instruction for humans to choose the right tradition of
>> discussion from multiple alternatives.
>>
>> -Tuukka
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