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Hi Joe,

I have to say that I like the way you think.  I kind of have to read
your posts out of the corners of my eyes to be involved in your
diction.

There is another reason why DQ "must" remain undefined, although it is
not nearly as interesting.  Whenever something is defined, it presents
what that thing is and what it is not.  This kind of definitional
encarceration places DQ within an sq framework, which it is not.  The
point is, DQ is not sq.  Therefore, it cannot be defined, by
definition :-).

Having said that, we can postulate what are some of its aspects.  One
of those would be that it is not sq, of course.  Another would be that
it produces.  Such production can, of course, encompass a great number
of things, including all of reality.  (It can also encompass
everything else (heh, heh).  Another would be that it gives the
appearance of change in terms of its "effects".  It is not a force,
but often it can be analogized as such.  So, while we do not define,
we can know.

We can wrap up DQ with so many definitions that we would no longer be
able to see it.  In this way definitions hide DQ.  It would be like
wrapping up a surprise, since once you open it, you realize it has
nothing to do with the wrapping paper.  However, every "present" must
be wrapped in order to pass it along.  So that is what we do,
bundle-up and deliver.  What we deliver is kind of like one of those
audio tapes that you take with you on a tour of the city.  The audio
provided is very different from the visual you get when you walk
around the city, but both go together.

Oh, and DQ is NOT whatever you want it to be, for that would make it
relative, which we know it is not.  However, it can be considered
relative by those who need it to be, what a waste!

On 1/9/12, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Tuukka;
>
> DQ/SQ Indefinable/definable.  I want to play with words!  Indefinable DQ is
> Pirsig's insight into the perception of evolving reality.  Everything?  No
> just indefinable reality.  What is the common name for indefinable reality?
> I suggest emotions.  My brother could always get my sisters upset by
> declaring:  Women don't think, they feel!
>
> Thoughts are definable SQ, physics.  Emotions are indefinable DQ
> metaphysics.  Reality is DQ/SQ.
>
> Metaphysics cannot be modeled by Mathematics which for certainty follows a
> rule of the rigid logic of numbers.  Analogy and Metaphor uses words for
> greater insight in emphasizing emotional DQ's place in the description of
> reality.
>
> There are indefinable markers for DQ (indefinable) emotional reality,
> definable markers SQ for words, DQ/SQ metaphysics.
>
> Why are feelings of a lower evolutionary value than thoughts?  Instinct seem
> to be of less value since it is less rigidly logical than intellectual
> definition in truth seeking. The markers defining emotional reality are more
> obscure in being perceivable though indefinable, than the definable markers
> for logic at the intellectual level.  DQ/SQ!
>
> I would guess there is more precision needed to manipulate indefinable
> feelings (drama) than definable thoughts (script). Thoughts have definable
> metaphysical value and emotions have indefinable metaphysical value
>
> Many see DQ as unknowable since it is indefinable.  The question I have: Are
> emotions definable?  I say no! and accept emotional markers in DQ!
>
> Joe
>
>
> On 1/8/12 3:14 PM, "Tuukka Virtaperko" <mail at tuukkavirtaperko.net> wrote:
>
>>> Joe:
>>>
>>> The concept of Evolution, something indefinable in the sense of levels in
>>> existence, without appealing to creation, interests me.  Evolution is not
>>> something from nothing, but something embracing a sense of order and
>>> individuality.  I prefer the musical Do,Re, Mi etc. as a model for order.
>>
>> Tuukka:
>>
>> Okay. Then you perhaps even are a mystic. I feel what you mean but don't
>> know it.
>
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