[MD] The first cut.

118 ununoctiums at gmail.com
Fri Jan 20 10:11:21 PST 2012


Hi Ron,

Lemonade tastes good to me.  While I do not quite understand your
conclusion of meaninglessness, I can propose the following:

Static patterns are an expression of Value.

Don't know if this makes sense.  What did you put in the lemonade!!! :-)

Mark

On 1/20/12, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> Marsha said:
> So, dmb, that would be "static patterns of value are ... ever-changing", not
> 'ever-changing static patterns'.  The misrepresentation changes the
> emphasis.
>
>
> dmb says:
>
> It's oxymoronic nonsense either way. The terms are contradictory regardless
> of the order of their appearance. No matter which comes first in the
> equation, you are equating opposites.
> Why can you not see the simple logic of this objection? It seems to be
> fairly obvious to everyone else.
>
>
>
> Ron still peddeling cheap lemonade:
> Well, perhaps this can spur a conversation about doing something like
> equating opposites and how
> this effects the attempt at an explanation of the "one-ness" of
> contrarities, one/many ect..ect..
> Having said that and having emphasized that value lies at the root of this
> "one-ness" and for the
> most part what we mean as followers of Pirsig is that value IS this
> "one-ness", we find that meaning
> takes on a whole new importance.
>
> While Marsha seems like she likes the deconstruction phase and places alot
> of her attention on it
> what seems more interesting is the reconstruction of meaning it also seems
> like it is often the most
> lacking aspect of our Quality point of view. So we find in the following of
> DQ the development of
> clarity yields the highest satisfaction it yeilds the most reward, when we
> point to direct experience
> and the now we point to clarity. I think that is the difference.
>
> If Value is the ground stuff of reality and all static patterns are composed
> and migrate towards Value
> then to say that this Value is ultimately meaninglessness would seem to be
> inconsistant with what we
> orginally understand and posit about Value.
>
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