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Yes, Marsha.  It is like the relationship between a tornado and the
air, or a window and the frame.  But, I would say that both are
ultimate in nature since one cannot exist without the other.  This is
simply logical.  DQ would not exist without sq to act on.  There would
be "nothing".  Anthony is wrong here in my opinion.  Vive le
differance!  I am not marching to Anthony's drumbeat without thinking.

This is a modern metaphysics.  It is used to explain things to modern
people living in this country and others.  Let's not get too caught up
in the whole new age translations of metaphysics that was meant for a
different time.

Mark

On 1/23/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>
>
> Greetings again Andre,
>
> In the 'AN INTRODUCTION TO ROBERT PIRSIG’S METAPHYSICS OF QUALITY' of which
> Anthony McWatt writes "Though this text is largely based on the work for my
> Ph.D. thesis, it is has been written for the philosophy under-graduate in
> mind.", he also states:
>
> "Moreover, Nagarjuna (1966, p.251) shares Pirsig’s perception that the
> indeterminate (or Dynamic) is the fundamental nature of the conditioned (or
> static):
>
>     "In their ultimate nature things are devoid of conditionedness
>     and contingency belongs to this level. This very truth is
>     revealed by also saying that all things ultimately enter the
>     indeterminate dharma or that within the heart of every
>     conditioned entity (as its core, as its true essence, as its
>     very real nature) there is the indeterminate dharma.
>     While the one expresses the transcendence of the ultimate
>     reality, the other speaks of its immanence. The one says
>     that the ultimate reality is not an entity apart and wholly
>     removed from the determinate, but is the real nature of the
>     determinate itself."
>
>
> This is not a forum devoted solely to the relationship between RMP and W.
> James, or solely devoted to pragmatism and radical empiricism.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Jan 23, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Andre <andrebroersen at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Marsha to Andre:
>>
>> I most certainly did not reference "DQ=sq" in any of these posts; that is
>> another bit of misrepresentation on your part.
>>
>> Andre:
>> Trouble with your longer term memory Marsha? I invite anyone to dive into
>> the archives where you have made that statement...more than once. Your
>> reference to 'these posts' is your attempt at evasion (which is a usual
>> tactic on your part). I am therefore not misrepresenting your belief. In
>> fact, you once again state it:
>>
>> "So to static quality does not differ from Dynamic Quality, and Dynamic
>> Quality does not differ from static quality".
>>
>> This may be true from a 'mystical' perspective but we are talking MOQ here
>> which has a pragmatic, radical empiricist component in it.  And for good
>> reason. I invite you and any of your mystic friends to experience the
>> difference between diving, head first, in a pool of water as contrasted
>> with diving in a pool filled with ice. (amazing what difference one degree
>> Celsius in temperature can make)
>>
>> Sorry Marsha, not very convincing. I am afraid we are living in the
>> temporal/spacial world of everyday affairs. You know
>> buying,selling,sneezing,working,fucking,farting,painting,thinking,dying...just
>> to name a few. It is the world of everyday, conventional reality. That's
>> the one we are living in and Pirsig's MOQ as a description of this
>> temporal/spacial reality is brilliant because it incorporates everything
>> (sq) and refers to nothing (DQ).  ;-)
>>
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