[MD] The first cut.

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Pirsig here....

I like debate, I learn from it.  Either side can stop the debate by
not responding.  It takes two to tango! (or maybe three now that Horse
has put in his opinion).


On 1/24/12, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
> I doubt this will make any difference to Marsha, Dave - a lot of this is
> rooted in the SOM as Intellect debacle from some time ago. It doesn't
> matter how much evidence you present or even if Pirsig himself joined in
> the conversation.
>
> Horse
>
> On 24/01/2012 18:40, david buchanan wrote:
>>
>> “A Dynamic advance is meaningless unless it can find some static pattern
>> with which to protect itself from degeneration back to the conditions that
>> existed before the advance was made.  Evolution can't be a continuous
>> forward movement.  It must be a process of ratchet-like steps in which
>> there is a Dynamic movement forward up some new incline and then, if the
>> result looks successful, a static latching-on of the gain that has been
>> made; then another Dynamic advance, then another static latch…” (LILA, end
>> of Chapter 11)
>>
>> "Sometimes a Dynamic increment goes forward but can find no latching
>> mechanism and so fails and slips back to a previous latched position.
>> Whole species and cultures get lost this way. Sometimes a static pattern
>> becomes so powerful that it prohibits any Dynamic moves forward. In both
>> cases the evolutionary process is halted for a while. But when it's not
>> halted the result has been an increase in power to control hostile forces
>> or an increase in versatility or both. The increase in versatility is
>> directed toward DQ. The increase in power to control hostile forces is
>> directed toward static quality. Without DQ the organism cannot grow.
>> Without static quality the organism cannot last. Both are needed." (LILA,
>> end of chapter 11)
>>
>>
>> "When this understanding first broke through in Phaedrus' mind, that
>> ethics and science had suddenly been integrated into a single system, he
>> became so manic he couldn't think of anything else for days. The only time
>> he had been more manic about an abstract idea was when he had first hit
>> upon the idea of undefined Quality itself. The consequences of that first
>> mania had been disastrous, and so now, this time, he told himself just to
>> calm down and dig in. It was, for him, a great Dynamic breakthrough, but
>> if he wanted to hang on to it he had better do some static latching as
>> quickly and thoroughly as possible." (Lila, end of chapter 12)
>>
>>
>> "Dharma, like rta, means 'what holds together.' It is the basis of all
>> order. It equals righteousness. It is the ethical code. It is the stable
>> condition which  gives man perfect satisfaction. ...Dharma is Quality
>> itself, the principle of 'rightness' which gives structure and purpose to
>> the evolution of all life and to the evolving understanding of the
>> universe which life has created." (LILA, Chapter 30)
>>
>>
>> "No, he did nothing for Quality or the Tao.  What benefited was reason. He
>> showed a way by which reason may be expanded to include elements that have
>> previously been unassimilable and thus have been considered irrational."
>> (ZAMM, p. 257)
>>
>>
>> "But now we have with us some concepts that greatly alter the whole
>> understanding of things. Quality is the Buddha. Quality is scientific
>> reality. Quality is the goal of Art." (ZAMM, p. 276)
>>
>>
>> "I want to show that that classic pattern of rationality can be
>> tremendously improved, expanded and made far more effective through the
>> formal recognition of Quality in its operation." (ZAMM, p. 278)
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