[MD] The first cut.

Wed Jan 25 08:18:01 PST 2012

Mark,

Since you claim to have some knowledge of Buddhism, check out 'Right Speech' from the eight-fold path.  I don't talk negatively about MD posters offlist.  And I don't talk about LilaSquad posters where they are not able to defend themselves.  If I do have something unkind to say, I say it directly, not to a third party.  And I do not say nasty things behind an avatar disguise.

Ham, misstated my position to Joe.  If I am unable to correct the statement, it is gossip in my book.  He he wants to ask me if I feel I am RMP's interpreter, I would certainly explain that I am not.

Marsha

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 25, 2012, at 10:58 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marsha,
> As you know, whenever you post something you are inviting debate.  If
> you do not see it this way, then you are ignoring the process by which
> a metaphysics becomes established.  I do ingnore your "existence", I
> am addressing the words on a page.  I have no idea who you are nor am
> I interested.
> 
> Your "gossip" is all part of it.  We do not stand isolated from each
> other even though the estrangement provided by the internet would
> suggest such a thing.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 
> On 1/25/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Greetings Horse,
>> 
>> I know, but I don't appreciate gossip.   I am not an interpreter and never
>> claimed to be.  I am exploring.   And maybe Mark misses me, but I wish he'd
>> ignore my "existence".
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Horse wrote:
>> 
>>> You've said this in the past Marsha but so far failed to last more than a
>>> few days!
>>> 
>>> On 24/01/2012 19:49, MarshaV wrote:
>>>> Greetings Horse,
>>>> 
>>>> I think I mentioned last week I'm happy to sit it out for a while.  I'm
>>>> tired of all Mark's qustions.  It might be fun to watch from the peanut
>>>> gallery for a while.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I doubt this will make any difference to Marsha, Dave - a lot of this is
>>>>> rooted in the SOM as Intellect debacle from some time ago. It doesn't
>>>>> matter how much evidence you present or even if Pirsig himself joined in
>>>>> the conversation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Horse
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 24/01/2012 18:40, david buchanan wrote:
>>>>>> “A Dynamic advance is meaningless unless it can find some static
>>>>>> pattern with which to protect itself from degeneration back to the
>>>>>> conditions that existed before the advance was made.  Evolution can't
>>>>>> be a continuous forward movement.  It must be a process of ratchet-like
>>>>>> steps in which there is a Dynamic movement forward up some new incline
>>>>>> and then, if the result looks successful, a static latching-on of the
>>>>>> gain that has been made; then another Dynamic advance, then another
>>>>>> static latch…” (LILA, end of Chapter 11)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Sometimes a Dynamic increment goes forward but can find no latching
>>>>>> mechanism and so fails and slips back to a previous latched position.
>>>>>> Whole species and cultures get lost this way. Sometimes a static
>>>>>> pattern becomes so powerful that it prohibits any Dynamic moves
>>>>>> forward. In both cases the evolutionary process is halted for a while.
>>>>>> But when it's not halted the result has been an increase in power to
>>>>>> control hostile forces or an increase in versatility or both. The
>>>>>> increase in versatility is directed toward DQ. The increase in power to
>>>>>> control hostile forces is directed toward static quality. Without DQ
>>>>>> the organism cannot grow. Without static quality the organism cannot
>>>>>> last. Both are needed." (LILA, end of chapter 11)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "When this understanding first broke through in Phaedrus' mind, that
>>>>>> ethics and science had suddenly been integrated into a single system,
>>>>>> he became so manic he couldn't think of anything else for days. The
>>>>>> only time he had been more manic about an abstract idea was when he had
>>>>>> first hit upon the idea of undefined Quality itself. The consequences
>>>>>> of that first mania had been disastrous, and so now, this time, he told
>>>>>> himself just to calm down and dig in. It was, for him, a great Dynamic
>>>>>> breakthrough, but if he wanted to hang on to it he had better do some
>>>>>> static latching as quickly and thoroughly as possible." (Lila, end of
>>>>>> chapter 12)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Dharma, like rta, means 'what holds together.' It is the basis of all
>>>>>> order. It equals righteousness. It is the ethical code. It is the
>>>>>> stable condition which  gives man perfect satisfaction. ...Dharma is
>>>>>> Quality itself, the principle of 'rightness' which gives structure and
>>>>>> purpose to the evolution of all life and to the evolving understanding
>>>>>> of the universe which life has created." (LILA, Chapter 30)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "No, he did nothing for Quality or the Tao.  What benefited was reason.
>>>>>> He showed a way by which reason may be expanded to include elements
>>>>>> that have previously been unassimilable and thus have been considered
>>>>>> irrational." (ZAMM, p. 257)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "But now we have with us some concepts that greatly alter the whole
>>>>>> understanding of things. Quality is the Buddha. Quality is scientific
>>>>>> reality. Quality is the goal of Art." (ZAMM, p. 276)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "I want to show that that classic pattern of rationality can be
>>>>>> tremendously improved, expanded and made far more effective through the
>>>>>> formal recognition of Quality in its operation." (ZAMM, p. 278)
>>>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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