[MD] Creative Freedom in Jazz

[Ant McWatt]

Mark Smith stated July 5th:


> Hi Everyone,
>
> On Jul 3, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dan:
> > Yes good point. Still, I am thinking here more along the lines of
> > ideas coming before matter. Working from within that context, wouldn't
> > it perhaps be better to say it is a high quality idea that preferences
> > start to appear with the inorganic level
>
> I appreciate what Dan writes, but would it not be more correct to say that "ideas come before the idea of matter"?

Ant McWatt comments:

Didn't there need to be at least two (different) ideas before anyone could make a general term of "idea".  And, maybe the idea of "matter" was the first... or second one to appear?  


> This would make the statement more consistent with what Pirsig writes (remember the example of gravity).

Ant McWatt comments:

Gravity and... ghosts.  Now what kind of ghost is Mark?  Kind of a disturbed spirit as far as I can see.  Not for good for a Californian especially one supposedly interested in the meaning of life (and all that kind of stuff).  But maybe I can help...

Now Mark, closely read the following words:


Brian Wilson, not Arnie, 
Brian Wilson, not Arnie,
Brian Wilson, not Arnie, 

Brian Wilson, not Arnie,


Good vibes, no Spring time for Hitler.
Good vibes, no Spring time for Hitler.
Good vibes, no Spring time for Hitler.

Good vibes, no Spring time for Hitler.





Has that helped?  If not, please repeat 500 times.



> In the same line of logic, the idea of Quality must come before Quality. Let us not forget that Quality is a concept which is being expressed through a metaphysics. There cannot be Quality before it is conceived of. Remember the ghost of reason. One cannot put the cart before the horse,
>
> We create these things with our minds, they cannot create us. Dynamic Quality is created for metaphysical purposes to juxtapose static quality. We cannot rightly say that dynamic quality creates static quality since it did not exist before that. This is what Pirsig goes through great pains to explain.
>
> Let us not create a religion out of Quality. This is metaphysics. It employs logic.


And God be with you too, St. Mark...  Luke and John!

Best wishes,

Ant





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