[MD] Descriptions of Quality

[Ham Priday]

Hi, Joe --

On Sunday, July 08, 2012 4:02 PM, "Joseph Maurer" <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Ham,
>
> Metaphysics is a level for discourse beyond mathematical
> physics.  To accept ultimate reality metaphysically, is there
> an analogy to the experience of beyond-logical Faith in an
> indefinable category DQ like emotions?

Well, I suppose that gives me an advantage, since I'm not a physicist or a 
mathematician ;-).  But I don't regard my cosmology as a "beyond-logical 
Faith" either.  Is it illogical to believe there is more to Reality than 
this world of finite appearances?  Does it contradict logic to support the 
first rule of metaphysics which is 'Ex nihilo nihil fit', (nothing comes 
from nothingness)?  If not, then a primary Source is logically necessary to 
complete our understanding of Ultimate Reality.

If I understand you correctly, you've asked for an analogy to "the 
experience" of emotions.  One should not need an analogy for something as 
immanent to the self as emotional experience, unless (like Marsha) you 
disavow your self.  If the analogy you're seeking is for an otherwise 
"indefinable category" like Essence and our relation to it,  what comes to 
mind is a biological example.

Consider the new Mother whose baby spills from her uterus as a self-aware 
locus of experience that loves and needs the nurturing of its maternal 
source while developing the capacity to rationalize this experience.

Essence is our "metaphysical Source" and the ultimate object of the desire 
and longing which is our relational bond to it.  As existents, we are 
estranged from the beingness of this Source, sensible only of its Value (to 
us) as differentiated by our experience.  Metaphysically speaking, we are 
autonomous value-sensible creatures in search of our uncreated Source.  In 
this life-experience we bring Being into finitude by negating its 
"otherness" and incrementally extracting its value for ourselves.  The total 
complement of Value so acquired in this lifetime represents our eternal 
reality in the Oneness of Essence.

Does this make sense to you, Joe?  If so, please feel free to suggest any 
mathematical equations or logical syllogisms you think will make the overall 
concept more comprehensible to the typical Pirsigian.

Thanks and essentially yours,
Ham

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> On 7/8/12 11:17 AM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Ultimate Reality is strictly a metaphysical issue, and
>> without acknowledging the sensible agent's relation to the
>> ultimate source, life has no meaning or purpose beyond
>> empirical utilitarianism.