[MD] expanded rationality

118 ununoctiums at gmail.com
Sun Jul 15 08:39:45 PDT 2012 

Hi Marsha,

I can't answer with the choices you have provided me, for neither is appropriate.  Think of it as an awareness without direction.  For example, if you listen to Wagner today, would you consider your relationship with the music as a movement towards something?  Can you take the time you first listened to such music and then draw a line between then and now and say where you are headed with such listening?  The music has not changed, so would you consider yourself as "ever returning" to the music.

Hope the analogy makes sense as I know that you like Wagner.

Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark

On Jul 15, 2012, at 4:25 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> Mark,
> 
> If you've been there, done that, do you consider your present position an eternal return or a movement forward, progress?  If a movement forward, by what fixed-point have you made such a measurement?   How was that progress from 'been there, done that' to your present position determined?  
> 
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2012, at 11:29 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Marsha,
>> I know exactly what you are talking about.  Been there, done that.
>> 
>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:50 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> I'm going to pass on responding to this post other than to state that from what you've written here you seem to have no idea what I am talking about.  Well, maybe I will add:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    All conditioned dharmas 
>>>    Are like dreams, illusions, bubbles, shadows, 
>>>    Like dew drops and a lightning flash. 
>>>    Contemplate them thus. 
>>>          (Diamond Sutra) 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2012, at 4:36 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>> You have professed the underlying principle of science.  Welcome to my world!  Science as applied to thinking.
>>>> 
>>>> Before this, had you accepted the world as Complete?  If so, you are in for a ride of much amazement.  What tools of investigation are you going to use?
>>>> 
>>>> Now that "thinking" is seen as providing meaning, perhaps you can drop some of your preconceived notions of patterns.  We create these patterns, they do not create us (aka Buddhism).  
>>>> 
>>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 14, 2012, at 1:10 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Jan-Anders,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Re: my thoughts on the subject line 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "All knowledge is hypothetical" - Herr Doktor Professor Karl Maimund Popper 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once one accepts the MoQ's fundamental truth that the world is nothing but Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold all static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not neccesarily real or true.)  Understanding static (patterned) value as hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what we know and makes room for additional inquiry with new possibilities.  It certainly moves away from thinking of entities as existing inherently, and independent of thinking.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> J-A, at the moment I like this idea; you may like some other idea.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> p.s.   "Love" and "arete" are good concepts.  What inspires love and arete?  Holding on too tightly to anything - concept/percept - is static.  Holding on too tightly to "love", "arete" or "42" might be considered very static, also.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 14, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Marsha
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Love?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Arete?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Volvo? http://www.volvogroup.com/group/global/en-gb/volvo%20group/ourvalues/quality/pages/quality.aspx
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 42?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jan Anders
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 13 jul 2012 kl. 13:06 skrev MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi J-A,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "all knowledge is hypothetical" - Herr Doktor Professor Karl Maimund Popper
>>>>>>>> That's hypothethetical too, I suppose.. as the Titles, and the source, and his name...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Grg could destroy the whole world but not the tool he used.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> To stay constructive against the destructuve forces, we have to rely on the basis for constructions, patterns that are more static and less changing than or own. Holding on too much to "not this, not that" is diving into an empty void where nothing comes from.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What is a Quality life to you?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Not 'necessarily' thermodynamics?   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> J A
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 13 jul 2012 kl. 10:30 skrev MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "all knowledge is hypothetical" - Herr Doktor Professor Karl Maimund Popper 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Once one accepts the MoQ's fundamental truth that the world is nothing but Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold all static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not neccesarily real or true.)  Understanding static (patterned) value as hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what we know and makes room for additional inquiry with new possibilities.  It certainly moves away from thinking of entities as existing inherently, and independent of thinking.  
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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