[MD] expanded rationality

MarshaV valkyr at att.net
Mon Jul 16 00:46:18 PDT 2012 

Greetings Jan-Anders,

Ah yes, the Volvo I am working on is my own mind (conventionally speaking, of course).  


Marsha 



On Jul 14, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:

> Marsha
> 
> Don't be afraid of being yourself. I don't think you can think like me. I prefer us being different.
> 
> 
> “For such is the nature of men, that howsoever they may acknowledge many others to be more witty, or more eloquent, or more learned; Yet they will hardly believe there be many so wise as themselves; For they see their own wit at hand, and other mens at a distance.”
> Hobbes, Leviathan ch XIII.
> 
> That is why literature is so great. Literature brings people closer to understanding each other. A book is a mirror of the world. It shows how the author sees the world around him. It is a map of his concepts and the matter connected to it that is known to the author. It is the portal for ‘Return of the Monster of Difference’."
> MALC ch 1, (some of the last pages)
> 
> That is why MD is so great. Discussions on internet brings people closer to understanding each other. A message is a mirror of the world. It shows how the contributor sees the world around him. THE READER SEES WHAT HE SEES IN THAT MIRROR, which can be different, from time to time. It is a map of his concepts and the matter connected to it that is known to the author/reader. It is the portal for ‘Return of the Monster of Dialogue’.
> 
> Still; Two eyes see more than one.
> 
> Jan Anders
> 
> 
> 14 jul 2012 kl. 12.09 skrev MarshaV:
> 
>> 
>> J-A,
>> 
>> "... The Metaphysics of Quality's central idea that the world is nothing but value is not part of any philosophic tradition that I know of. I have proposed it because it seems to me that when you look into it carefully it makes more sense than all the other things the world is supposed to be composed of. One particular strength lies in its applicability to quantum physics, where substance has been dismissed but nothing except arcane mathematical formulae has really replaced it."
>>   (RMP, 'A brief summary of the Metaphysics of Quality', October 2005)
>> 
>> Please note that the MoQ's central idea is "that the world is nothing but value".  
>> 
>> Even if I could remember _everything_, do you think I could include it in a single paragraph?  So it seems whatever I say is incomplete.  Or is it that I should erase my experience and understanding and replace it with your analogies?  Is that what you think I should do?  I would have a better reality if I thought like you?  Reality is whatever YOU think?  Do I need to post Lila's speech from Chapter Fourteen again?  Such an insightful speech!!!  Those are RMP's words too.  
>> 
>> Time, space and causation are static values.  I think somewhere RMP stated that they were probably the first patterns to emerge.  Time, space and causation are dependent on consciousness.  All static patterns of value have a co-dependent relationship with consciousness.
>> 
>> I really liked your book, and some day soon I hope to read it again.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2012, at 4:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> I think you forget, or neglect, the time dimension. You are correct in the statement that "the world" is nothing but Value, Valued by Quality, BUT, Values are different, there are short term Values and long term Values; from very very very shortly existing like Higgs-Boson's at CERN to nearly infinite Values. I tried to show you in the first 6 chapters of MALC. 
>>> 
>>> If you still don't get it maybe try to read Carlos Castaneda's description of Tonal and Nagual.
>>> 
>>> Castaneda describes Tonal, (the Values) as a top of a table or as an island. All we know is on this table, and outside is Nagual. The interesting thing is that this table is different for every person and it grows, by time. 
>>> 
>>> I made a paraphrase of Tonal in MALC and describe how maps are growing and changing by time. The map of human knowledge is more like a field, a three-dimensional spherical field with its forgotten past deep inside and the possible future outside. Please consider the pictures of the Sea and the Maple tree here: http://www.facebook.com/MoneyandtheArtofLosingControl
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Jan Anders
>>> 
>>> 14 jul 2012 kl. 10.10 skrev MarshaV:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jan-Anders,
>>>> 
>>>> Re: my thoughts on the subject line 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "All knowledge is hypothetical" - Herr Doktor Professor Karl Maimund Popper 
>>>> 
>>>> Once one accepts the MoQ's fundamental truth that the world is nothing but Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold all static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not neccesarily real or true.)  Understanding static (patterned) value as hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what we know and makes room for additional inquiry with new possibilities.  It certainly moves away from thinking of entities as existing inherently, and independent of thinking.  
>>>> 
>>>> J-A, at the moment I like this idea; you may like some other idea.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> p.s.   "Love" and "arete" are good concepts.  What inspires love and arete?  Holding on too tightly to anything - concept/percept - is static.  Holding on too tightly to "love", "arete" or "42" might be considered very static, also.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 14, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> Love?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Arete?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Volvo? http://www.volvogroup.com/group/global/en-gb/volvo%20group/ourvalues/quality/pages/quality.aspx
>>>>> 
>>>>> 42?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jan Anders
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 13 jul 2012 kl. 13:06 skrev MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi J-A,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "all knowledge is hypothetical" - Herr Doktor Professor Karl Maimund Popper
>>>>>>> That's hypothethetical too, I suppose.. as the Titles, and the source, and his name...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Grg could destroy the whole world but not the tool he used.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To stay constructive against the destructuve forces, we have to rely on the basis for constructions, patterns that are more static and less changing than or own. Holding on too much to "not this, not that" is diving into an empty void where nothing comes from.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What is a Quality life to you?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not 'necessarily' thermodynamics?   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> J A
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 13 jul 2012 kl. 10:30 skrev MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "all knowledge is hypothetical" - Herr Doktor Professor Karl Maimund Popper 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Once one accepts the MoQ's fundamental truth that the world is nothing but Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold all static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not neccesarily real or true.)  Understanding static (patterned) value as hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what we know and makes room for additional inquiry with new possibilities.  It certainly moves away from thinking of entities as existing inherently, and independent of thinking.  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marsha 
>>>>>>>> 
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