[MD] Practical experience of MOQ Mondays

[Jan Anders Andersson]

Hi Dave

You didn't see that this was an example of the differences between biological and social strategies. The strategy to run away and everyone taking care of themselves only is biological while sticking together and cooperate is a social strategy. 

Your example of the Boer war is not about the difference between social or biological strategies, both sides has gathered an army (social level) but they had a different intellectual understanding of machines. There was at least one battle where the Zulu warriors won and that was when the Boers had thousands of guns but only 4 screwdrivers that was needed for opening the ammo cases.

Mr Holmes had a strategy in case of if someone in the audience would carry a gun and start firing at him, he was wearing bullet proof protection for example. I know that a different behaviour when everyone stands up as one and run against the villain immediately is a far away idea but not more fantastic than Batman Comics. Breivik, the Norwegian, his goal was to kill 800 people on an isolated island. If 800 unarmed people is immediately surrounding one man with a gun he will lose. He can't fire his gun that fast. But the 800 ran in all directions so he could just walk around playing "hide-and-seek". That is also why a people can overthrow a dictator, like in Egypt, Tunisia and as I think will come, in Syria. It is because of the different strategies.

I don't say that this or that strategy or level is better. There are far more biological species and individuals than us humans on the Earth. The view of a Cockroach is certainly something else than ours. What do they "think" about global warming or freedom of speech? 

Jan Anders

22 jul 2012 kl. 15:25 skrev David Thomas <combinedefforts at earthlink.net>:

> On 7/22/12 3:38 AM, "Jan Anders Andersson" <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
> 
>> “I am not so sure about that. In school shootings the victims use biological
>> strategies. They run like stupid chickens and every individual becomes an easy
>> target. If they instead stick together and act socially they can overrun the
>> villain in seconds. Some will be shot but the more will survive and the loony
>> is definitely the loser. I’d rather die for and together with my friends than
>> alone and abandoned in a hole.
>> excerpt from Money and the Art of Losing Control, ch 12
> 
> Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.-George
> Santanyana
> 
> I don't know if Pirsig's work just naturally attracts fools or the
> application of his work just naturally leads to foolish conclusions. To
> suggest that the results would have been "better" if all the unarmed people
> ranging from six to thirty one in that darkened theatre had charged a
> determined heavily armed crazy borders on criminality. It is unconscionable.
> 
> And I suggest that if you ever actually faced a situation like that,
> regardless of your "understanding" of the MoQ or any other philosophy,
> you're just as likely to be the one trampling the babies to get out as
> anyone else.
> 
> Never mind that law enforcement specialists and others with experience in
> these kind of events all say what you should do is evade, avoid, or escape.
> The past shows us that even in armed conflicts when one side has guns and
> the other has spears, the sheer number and determination of the
> spear-holders rarely make the difference in the end. Read a little about the
> Native Americans, the Boer War in Africa or even WW1, to help you remember.
>> 
>> Yesterday my wife said at breakfast regarding the right to wear arms: "If
>> people's got the right to wear arms then they should have the right to a free
>> and private shrink also."
> 
> Shouldn't she have said, "be compelled to attend sessions with a free and
> private shrink?" Remember Pirsig had to be involuntarily committed after his
> gun waving incident. I wonder if Pirsig, watching the morning news yesterday
> thought, " There but for the grace of no God, go I." The personal profiles
> are eerily similar. Young, late twenties early thirties, men, highly
> intelligent, social awkward, loners with a history of episodes of depression
> and mania who have a sense of failure in spite of their successes, about who
> friends says, "Kind of quiet, but a nice guy, I just can't believe....etc,
> etc......."
> 
> And then the big one. The lightly concealed claim in both books and his
> comments since, "I'm not really crazy. I'm enlightened. Anyway it's my
> screwed up society. They just don't understand and appreciate me."
> 
> Phew, glad I got that off my chest.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
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