[MD] Practical experience of MOQ Mondays

[MarshaV]

Dave,

Sounds like some monumental story-telling going in your head.  I can tell you about a very nice 60 year-old VietNam vet with ptsd and anger issues deciding they should join a gun club for a hobby.  Scary!  Or a dear friend's mother, who at seventy-five developed schizophrenia and began interacting with and taking advice from an imaginary family.  Luckily this imaginary family didn't ask her to kill anyone.   Etc., &etc., &etc...   There is no need to single any particular event.  It's there but for the grace of LUCK that most of us don't flip out.  The society is hardly innocent with its doublebind rules and doublespeak media message.   And a loving family can one day bury you for being independent or different, or needing a new scapegoat.  Unless you have inside information, I think it would be fair to ignore your speculations when it comes to RMP.  
 
 
Marsha




On Jul 22, 2012, at 9:25 AM, David Thomas wrote:

> On 7/22/12 3:38 AM, "Jan Anders Andersson" <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
> 
>> “I am not so sure about that. In school shootings the victims use biological
>> strategies. They run like stupid chickens and every individual becomes an easy
>> target. If they instead stick together and act socially they can overrun the
>> villain in seconds. Some will be shot but the more will survive and the loony
>> is definitely the loser. I’d rather die for and together with my friends than
>> alone and abandoned in a hole.
>> excerpt from Money and the Art of Losing Control, ch 12
> 
> Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.-George
> Santanyana
> 
> I don't know if Pirsig's work just naturally attracts fools or the
> application of his work just naturally leads to foolish conclusions. To
> suggest that the results would have been "better" if all the unarmed people
> ranging from six to thirty one in that darkened theatre had charged a
> determined heavily armed crazy borders on criminality. It is unconscionable.
> 
> And I suggest that if you ever actually faced a situation like that,
> regardless of your "understanding" of the MoQ or any other philosophy,
> you're just as likely to be the one trampling the babies to get out as
> anyone else.
> 
> Never mind that law enforcement specialists and others with experience in
> these kind of events all say what you should do is evade, avoid, or escape.
> The past shows us that even in armed conflicts when one side has guns and
> the other has spears, the sheer number and determination of the
> spear-holders rarely make the difference in the end. Read a little about the
> Native Americans, the Boer War in Africa or even WW1, to help you remember.
>> 
>> Yesterday my wife said at breakfast regarding the right to wear arms: "If
>> people's got the right to wear arms then they should have the right to a free
>> and private shrink also."
> 
> Shouldn't she have said, "be compelled to attend sessions with a free and
> private shrink?" Remember Pirsig had to be involuntarily committed after his
> gun waving incident. I wonder if Pirsig, watching the morning news yesterday
> thought, " There but for the grace of no God, go I." The personal profiles
> are eerily similar. Young, late twenties early thirties, men, highly
> intelligent, social awkward, loners with a history of episodes of depression
> and mania who have a sense of failure in spite of their successes, about who
> friends says, "Kind of quiet, but a nice guy, I just can't believe....etc,
> etc......."
> 
> And then the big one. The lightly concealed claim in both books and his
> comments since, "I'm not really crazy. I'm enlightened. Anyway it's my
> screwed up society. They just don't understand and appreciate me."
> 
> Phew, glad I got that off my chest.
> 
> Dave
> 
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