[MD] The hard question

[MarshaV]

Hi Joe,

How do perceptions and the apparatus that shape them interact with patterns?  Do they co-evolve?


Marsha 



On Jun 1, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> 
> Metaphysics formats our experience of reality.  Pirsig observed DQ/SQ in his
> experience.  He observed that DQ/SQ described the experience of reality.
> Emotions are not thoughts like S/O. Emotions and thoughts differentiate
> reality, DQ/SQ.  
> 
> It is difficult for me to accept that in a DQ/SQ format of metaphysics, DQ
> is unknowable.  Indefinable is not unknowable.  I want DQ to be experienced
> emotionally.  This values indefinable emotions, in the DQ/SQ conception of
> metaphysics.
> 
> I feel your statement:
> 
>>>> There is nothing to say about DQ, the Ultimate Truth.  It is indeterminate.
>>>> Do you not understand 'indivisible, undefinable and unknowable'?
> 
> is confusing the indefinable with "unknowable" which would negate Pirsig's
> use of DQ in discriminating reality DQ/SQ.  Emotions are perceived.  They
> are conceived descriptively in metaphor and analogy.
> 
> Joe  
> 
> 
> On 5/31/12 1:14 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Joe,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Joe,
>> 
>> I consider perceptions to be experiences of the senses: seeing, tasting,
>> touching, smelling and hearing.  Are you using the term to mean something
>> different?
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha and All,
>>> 
>>> I want to consider the difference between emotional perception and
>>> intellectual conception.
>>> 
>>> For myself emotional perception is DQ.  There is no way to confine
>>> individualized emotional perceptions to a definition.  Emotions stand alone.
>>> The DQ perception of evolving reality as levels in existence is indefinable.
>>> 
>>> Intellectual conception SQ is perceived in a definable concept differing
>>> from the indefinable evolutionary perception of reality.  The intellect is
>>> able to define evolution, static levels in existence.  Remarkably people
>>> usually walk upright on two legs.
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/30/12 9:40 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> There is nothing to say about DQ, the Ultimate Truth.  It is indeterminate.
>>>> Do you not understand 'indivisible, undefinable and unknowable'?
>>> 
>>> 
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