[MD] T.U.R.T.L.E.W.A.X.

[Frank Booth]

Putting one's faith in authority makes one a sheep and is not the same as taking a leap of faith.


I take a leap of faith ( for, into, towards ) my self.


And now look at me! I used to be poor boy! Now I own big boat and make love to many white womens!

But seriously:


Seize not surrender. Quite gumptious golly gee wiz when you really think about it!


Pirsig spoke of this in reference to quitting school, finding one's true interest, and beginning anew, recharged. Something like that. You know, the gumption chapter.

We are turtles all the way up.



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 From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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p.s.  As a leap of faith, faith in authority doesn't ultimately appeal to me; that would be even a well respected authority.  





On Jun 8, 2012, at 3:06 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> Mr. Booth,
> 
> I imagine, unless we're only interested in job security and maintaining the status quo, as a foundation we want direct insight (experience).  The point was that while a product of experience, abstractions & generalizations (concepts) may stray too far from that experience to be meaningful, even intellectually meaningful.  The MoQ is empirical, yes?  
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Frank Booth <frankbooth66 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> It's funny to hear Ramanujan named. Mathematics has axioms as the "bottom turtle" and R's english mentors being involved at the time in attempting to lay down a solid self-contained foundation ( T.U.R.T.L.E.W.A.X. ). Good intuition.
>> 
>> 
>> Value, not concepts: Yes indeed. I would go so far as to say Value and Leap o' Faith are ( is? ) the very same tortuga.
>> 
>> Leap of faith is really another way of saying Gumption.
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>> 
>> From Gumption, the higher symmetries, turtle upon turtle.
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>> 
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>> ________________________________
>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: "moq_discuss at moqtalk.org" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] T.U.R.T.L.E.W.A.X.
>> 
>> 
>> Direct perceptions and experience (Value), not concepts.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Frank Booth <frankbooth66 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> What is the name of the bottom turtle?
>>> 
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