[MD] Quality Awareness

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G'day Ant,

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, condescending, or friendly, but I
will remain positive and reply below.

On 6/13/12, Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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> Mark Smit stated June 10th:
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>> We create puzzle pieces and then put them together in meaningful ways.
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> Ant McWatt comments:
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> Bonjour Mark,
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> Understandably, I'm  slightly perplexed by these "puzzle pieces"
> that you refer to.  I guess you must be talking about jigsaw puzzles
> which is rather neat (though I thought all the jigsaw factories had all
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> Good news for those patriotic jigsaw fans if not though!

Yup, good news indeed!  Spred the word.
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>> Once put together, the boundaries disappear, and a seamless picture
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> Great.  That's double neat.  Now I hope this "seamless
> picture" you're talking about is technology related and not related to a
> chemical imbalance of some sort.

Hmm... analogy anyone?
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>> These pieces can be considered as SQ.
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> Easy now, my friend.  If you have a seamless picture, how can you have
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Pieces in my language are parts.
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>> The act of putting them together involves DQ.
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> Really?  I think all actions are... SQ.  They might be inspired by DQ
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Nope, actions are not SQ until we say they are, comprende amigo?  You
are stuck in a paradox of your own making.  This only happens to some
MoQers.  Go out, enjoy yourself, stop thinking!

DQ is not some thing, so IT cannot inspire, Get It?
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>> The picture can be one of Quality. Once
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>> the new awareness is formed, one no longer needs to linger in how the
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>> pieces were put together and one can leave MoQ behind. Lingering in
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>> MoQ for too long is like staying in a church hoping to find
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>> enlightenment there amongst the pillars and never leaving. SQ and DQ
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>> can be considered as useful puzzle pieces, for beginning one's
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> One's journey to where, we wonder?  A Magical Mystery Tour?

If you like.  Didn't you mention a character therein that you are emulating?
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>> MoQ exists as a mode for sharing an awareness of the world,
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>> this is why Pirsig created it, so that he could explain the manner in
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>> which he saw the world before words.
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> For that we should be grateful though I always thought Pirsig just wanted
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Well, I guess it all depends if you go by the "selfish gene" attitude
or not.  Shame if you do.  While it can be said that ZAMM was written
as therapy in order to come to terms with his stolen personality, Lila
was a beneficent act.  Surey you spoke of these personal things with
him.  How else would you discuss Quality, as some clever metaphysics?
Did Pirsig actually talk to you about Quality outside of its
metaphysics?  Did you understand him when he did?  I really do not get
you sometime.  ZAMM and Lila are expressins of what he is aware of,
not some tightly bound set of rules.  Get real, walk outside.
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>> He also stresses not to get too
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>> bogged down in the terminology and methods, for that is not Quality.
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> For Dr Smith of Imperial College has said so...

Just repeating what is said, my friend of the long Ph.D.  Have you any
pronouncements of your own?
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>> It is always important to understand that MoQ as written is SQ, and
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>> that it seeks to embody a grand manner in which to apprehend reality.
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>> SQ must be opposed by something else for SQ to stand out. This is DQ.
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>> Perhaps it is important to investigate how these two fit together to
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>> form the puzzle. Perhaps this has already been done in a meaningful
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>> way by many in this forum and they are free from the division of SQ
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>> and DQ.
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> Many are called but few are chosen!

Please Choose Me!!
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>> In the past I have tried to describe a manner for becoming aware of
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>> Quality by presenting what I called the focussed attention attribute
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> A truly inspiring idea!

Not as inspiring as yours I must say.  What is it, Site Administrator
now?  What is the next step up the ladder :-).
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>> I distinguish such attention from the underlying
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>> "subconscious" which includes the entire body. As such, what we
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> Really?  Sounds like that chemical imbalance is kicking in.

Ah, yes, the SQ pejorative.  You know your MoQ techniques well.
But, what is streaming consciousness besides a chemical imbalance?
Oops forgot you don’t like brain science.  If your brain is in perfect
balance, it would explain a lot.  Anybody home?
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>> The latter
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>> cannot be directly converted since it must first be further
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>> manipulated. In this post I will present a similar concept except
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>> through the presentation of science... [ad nauseam]
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> Kind of typical.  You think Mark is finally going to say something
> substantial regarding the MOQ but you get disappointed even before you've
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> half a post.  Where's the fun in that?  Never get too attached to
> things as the Buddha once said, or was it twice or even thrice... My memory
> (and, sadly, my Sanskrit fails me).  Answers on a postcard, please.

Whoa?  Who are you talking to now?  Is it that big rabbit sitting next
to you?  What was his name now? Remind me.  Or is it your adoring
crowd that is constantly applauding in the background of your head.

Yes, let the MoQ be free, it is not some toy you can own.  Oh, I
forgot, the troops are rallying behind you.  Guess you got to lead,
fame calls.  What did you say your title was again?  Site
Administrator?  OK. lead on!

I may have to wait until you wake up.  This must still be the Ph.D
honeymoon you are on DR. Dr.  Who in his right mind uses his Ph.D.
credentials to become somebody?  The proof is in what you do
creatively on your own.  Come out from under the Pirsig skirt.  We
know you are there.  Do something creative and not simply waste away
transcribing!  You have it in you!  Trust me!

Got anything new coming out that we can look forward to?  Make us proud.


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Best wishes (especially to Dr. Ant)

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