[MD] dark night

[MarshaV]

Hi Joe,

I do not think Dynamic Quality can be known conceptually (patterned) or perceptually (patterned).  Dynamic Quality is unknowable, indivisible and undefinable.  Experience is recognizing patterns based on the predisposition of our perceptual and mental apparatus.  How is it that human beings might have access to what is beyond that apparatus?  Mental white noise!  Static patterns (perceptual and conceptual) are what we know.  Here is where the idea of evolution _seems_ to add value to our understanding, or maybe not.  We don't know what we don't know!  And as RMP has advised "To the extent that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of value it is without choice.  But to the extent that one follows Dynamic Quality, which is undefinable, one's behavior is free."  Can you attentively detach, for even a few minutes, from the flow of patterns?  Maybe slightly dizzy from that merry-go-round is the better place to be?  Maybe being slightly dizzy enabled Einstein to visualize something that freed him from the past?    


Marsha 








On Jun 22, 2012, at 3:14 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Marsha and all,
> 
> Metaphysics!  In etymology metaphysics acknowledges a discipline beyond
> physics.  
> 
> Pirsig suggested that indefinable/definable DQ/SQ manifests reality.
> 
> Physics which uses defined mathematics for describing existence cannot
> embrace logically an indefinable principle.  Metaphysics MOQ accepts the
> indefinable principle DQ.
> 
> Going round and round on that merry-go-round forces my attention to
> existence.  IMHO Metaphysics is a description of Evolution as levels in
> existence.  
> 
> Pirsig's metaphysics DQ/SQ seem to describe the existing level DQ, as
> knowable while remaining indefinable.  Off the top of my head levels in
> existence seem to answer what is evolution?  The power of metaphysics.
> 
> IMHO If you can know DQ you can observe that it manifests levels in
> existence.  Reality is not a one size fits all existence.  Metaphysics
> accepting an indefinable element Dq opens the door to the reality of
> evolution as levels in existence DQ/SQ.
> 
> Awareness DQ trumps mathematical logic.
> 
> Joe  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/21/12 4:41 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Joe,
>> 
>> If evolution is the pattern that interests you than my post had little to
>> offer you.  What is your understanding of 'metaphysics'?
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 21, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> 
>>> Metaphysics formats knowledge.  How is it possible for DQ, a metaphysical
>>> term, to be unknowable?  That would place it outside Metaphysics into a
>>> basket of Faith.  Indivisible could be a characteristic of indefinable?  For
>>> me to see reality as indivisible negates evolution, and I am not ready to
>>> make that jump.
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/21/12 1:44 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dynamic Quality isn't any thing.  It isn't 'dark night', or chaos; it is
>>>> unpatterned; it is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable.
>>> 
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