[MD] dark night

[Joseph Maurer]

Beautiful:


On 6/26/12 1:17 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> Tao Te Ching
> 
> Chapter One
> 
> The tao that can be told
> is not the eternal Tao
> The name that can be named
> is not the eternal Name.
> 
> The unnamable is the eternally real.
> Naming is the origin
> of all particular things.
> 
> Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
> Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.
> 
> Yet mystery and manifestations
> arise from the same source.
> This source is called darkness.
> 
> Darkness within darkness.
> The gateway to all understanding.
> 
>        (Written by Lao-tzu
>         From a translation by S. Mitchell)
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marsha and All,
>> 
>> "Fundamental nature" is a mouthful!  Is it a definition for reality?  I
>> conceptualize "logic" as being unable to describe evolution in terms of
>> SQ/DQ, defined/indefinable reality.
>> 
>> Indefinable reality is individualized DQ and can only be described in
>> analogical terms.  The acceptance of indefinable DQ reality reveals
>> sentience DQ/SQ.
>> 
>> In the past S/O was proposed as a logical (metaphysical) base.  This placed
>> sentience in a horrible bind to define all of reality. This made definition
>> equal to a mathematical certainty, denying evolution.  Creation was more
>> acceptable than metaphysics.  Metaphysics is logic beyond mathematics.
>> Evolution is logical as levels in existence.
>> 
>> Pirsig saw that there are indefinable emotions like love.  "Definition" is
>> not a metaphysical term but a physical term.  Something in our experience
>> remains indefinable DQ.  I do not like the term "fundamental nature".  I
>> prefer "evolution" as levels in existence.
>> 
>> Joe  
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/25/12 1:31 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> But under it all, the fundamental nature of sq is DQ.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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