[MD] Is Quality a monism?

[MarshaV]

Mark,

How far down would you like the explanation to go?  Should I take it all the way down to 'not this, not that' or stop at some arbitrary level of your choosing?   



Marsha 





On Jun 28, 2012, at 6:10 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am not quite sure what you mean by monistic.  Could you explain this
> a bit more?
> 
> What does it mean to you if something is hypothetical?  Is it used as
> "a possilble truth"?  Or, are you using the word differently?  What
> does it mean that knowledge is hypothetical?  I think I am missing
> your point (hypothetically that is).
> 
> M
> On 6/28/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> First, I do believe I was writing about the MOQ being monistic, where
>> reality, the world, is said to be nothing but value.  Second, I changed the
>> word I used for expanded rationality for hypothesis to hypothetical.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2012, at 1:37 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ron,
>>> 
>>> First of all, Marsha considers any knowledge to be a hypothesis.  A
>>> hypothesis is a form of knowledge.  This would make knowledge of
>>> something a form of knowledge.  Anyone can see that this is simply a
>>> play on words, and will not lead anywhere.
>>> 
>>> For Quality to be a monism, it must be conjectured to exist as an
>>> entity, as described by Marsha as "the source of all that exists".
>>> That is, it must exist separate from "all that exists".  I do not
>>> believe that this is a useful interpretation of Quality, for then we
>>> revert to religious aspects of such metaphysics.
>>> 
>>> Others, including myself, have suggested that Quality is "The Event".
>>> That is, it does not underlie any static phenomena, but is the process
>>> of such phenomena.  This Event is occurring in the present tense.  An
>>> event can have a tendency, and in MoQ this tendency is "betterness".
>>> In Taoism this "event" can be translated as "The Way", which reading
>>> of the Tao Te Ching will reveal (if read in that way).  The tendency
>>> of the Way is to defy resistance.  One issue in the modern world is
>>> that we tend to embrace resistance.
>>> 
>>> By describing Quality as the cause of results, we are not left with
>>> anything static to hold on to.  One can personalize such Quality by
>>> describing it as an Intention, or a Relationship.  A relationship
>>> exists between two things (for example), but is NOT either of those
>>> things.  In fact, one can simply turn the logic and say that the
>>> relationship CREATES the two things.  I have brought this in to the
>>> discussion a number of times; one time poetically by describing
>>> Quality as "the golden threads" that lie between, create, and holds
>>> together.  In another analogy which I have used, Quality is like the
>>> "event" of lava pouring through a fissure.  Always coming anew and
>>> building.  Not to be taken literally of course.
>>> 
>>> When I explain Quality to others around here, I have found that by
>>> using the "event" metaphor, those listening can intuitively grasp what
>>> I am presenting, and stay away from the concept of monism.  I am not
>>> sure if this is useful to you.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/12, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Marsha had stated to Joe:
>>>> 
>>>> The context for my comment was quite an indictment of the intellect's
>>>> shortcomings by Schopenhauer.  I think, though, that the value can be
>>>> improved if the dualism implied by knowledge-of-some-thing is understood
>>>> and
>>>> remains as hypothetical. The MoQ is afterall a monism (with Quality the
>>>> source of all that exists.)  At its highest, static (patterned) quality
>>>> may
>>>> represent the best value available at the moment, but it does have its
>>>> fallibilities  At least, imho.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ron asks:
>>>> Some questions directed at Ant-
>>>> 
>>>> Is Quality a Monism? firstly, it should be clear we are speaking of
>>>> static
>>>> quality and when we are speaking
>>>> of monads we are speaking about unity, oneness, whole. It tends to lend
>>>> to
>>>> the idea of completeness.
>>>> 
>>>> The encapsulization as it were.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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