[MD] Tweaking the emergence

[Tuukka Virtaperko]

Mark,
> Tuukka,
> Why are you resorting to math?  You claimed in a previous post that
> physics was primitive, or something.  Are you saying that math and
> physics are not one and the same?

Tuukka:
Of course they are not the same. :D Physics is an empirical science. 
Maths is a normative science. RP is not a mathematical theory, but it 
employs the methods of mathematics in order to be more precise and 
well-defined, so that people would know exactly what I mean.

If you have a problem with that, why don't you have a problem with me 
using language in the first place? After all, math is just another language.

Also, I have no aversion to using primitive tools whenever they suit my 
goals. But I don't think I meant that "physics is primitive, or 
something". What I said that in the context of metaphysics, it is more 
practical to portray physics as a subset of metaphysics. In the context 
of physics, it is more practical to do the opposite. But this here is a 
mailing list for the /Metaphysics/ of Quality. That, I presume, means 
that we are looking at things from a metaphysical point of view. This, 
in turn, would mean that we are, in the end, interested of the semantic 
structure of our experience of reality, and of the experiences from 
which we derive this structure. For these intents and purposes, it would 
be beside the point to examine physics as a metatheory of metaphysics, 
although it is indeed possible. Because if we did that, the topic of 
this forum would suddenly be physics. But I haven't seen much discussion 
about physics here.

Besides, this forum would also have to be about biology, social sciences 
and what not. If we deemed it necessary to examine physics as a 
metatheory of the MOQ, we would also need to examine biology as a 
metatheory of the MOQ, and sociology as such a metatheory, and so on. 
Bear in mind, that I'm not /forbidding/ anyone from doing that. What I'm 
saying is that for the sake of simplicity, I would like all these 
sciences - physics, biology, sociology - to have only one manifestation 
within RP.

You do have some kind of a point here, though. It is perhaps even very 
interesting. I could perhaps define the patterns in such a way, that 
each pattern is an acceptable metatheory for the entire RP. This could 
actually be ingenious. Thank you!

I'll let you know when I've gotten something like that done. If you want 
to, that is. I will use formulae to do it, and if you are /offended/ by 
them, then I will just do it, but not tell you. =)

-Tuukka