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Hi David,
I apologize if my comment seemed of low quality.  My point was that it did not seem that you understood what Joe was presenting.  It also seems that you misinterpreted what Pirsig is saying with his quote since you used it incorrectly to respond to Joe's post.  That is of course just my opinion, but I have ample reason to think so.

Before you criticize Joe on his opinion with a quote which is totally irrelevant, perhaps first you should first respectfully ask him what he means.  Your criticism of what he posted was indeed low, in my opinion.

While you claim to be thoughtful, you come here with the agenda to debase intellectual discourse with some static nonsense, which I have clearly debunked as a false paradox.  While this world you live in of staticness clearly fits your mindset, it is not consistent with MoQ.  Just because you think that emotions are somehow reducing value does make it so.  For emotions actually raise value.

I therefor respectfully submit that your criticism of Joe was completely out of place.  If somebody does not point this out to you then they are not being kind.

You cannot just grab any quote you want to make your point, since quotes do not stand on their own .  You know as well as anybody that Pirsig operates through rhetoric, and to use a quote of his as "proof", is somewhat unethical in the spirit of MoQ.

Rhetoric 1 : Dialectic 0

I do not have time for such nonsense.  Over and Out

Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark

On Mar 2, 2012, at 7:36 PM, David Harding <davidjharding at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mark,  
> 
> Thank you for responding to my previous post which was written to you and which took me a day to write.
> 
> If you're not going to reciprocate the courtesy of taking time and care by responding to my writing, then why should I continue to spend my time discussing the MOQ with you?
> 
> If you do respond however, I am all ears.
> 
> -David.
> 
> 
> On Saturday, 3 March 2012 at 9:38 AM, 118 wrote:
> 
>> David,
>> If indeed emotions are a response to quality as you quote as an
>> important statement, then you are creating two categories, one which
>> is quality and one which is not (unless you are using this quote
>> within a different context). Where do you see the separating line for
>> these two categories? Both DQ and sq contain the word quality. What
>> lies outside of that?
>> 
>> Joe, is using the undefinability of emotions, not their static
>> representations with words or concepts. That would be just plain
>> silly, for an emotion is not a word or a concept, it comes way before
>> that. Words are only used to "explain" an emotion, they are NOT THE
>> emotion. There is nothing static about the emotion itself, it comes
>> before the static. We cannot understand such a thing since it is not
>> definable.
>> 
>> One should read what Joe is saying, not what one is interpreting.
>> Your question comes from a projection of your making. This is, of
>> course, the problem with words. They are always incomplete, and can
>> be misleading, such as the way you interpret Pirsig's quote.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/2/12, David Harding <davidjharding at gmail.com (mailto:davidjharding at gmail.com)> wrote:
>>> Hi Joseph,
>>>> DQ is a metaphysical term, indefinable in levels in existence, evolution.
>>>> DQ is not non-existent. Behavior follows existence DQ/SQ. Emotions are DQ.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is contrary to what Pirsig has claimed:
>>> 
>>> "As I understand it the term “emotivism” is a way of reducing all value to
>>> biology, thus making it a part of the SOM universe. The MOQ sees emotions as
>>> a biological response to quality and not the same thing as quality. There
>>> are many cases, particularly in economic activity where values occur without
>>> any emotion." - LC
>>> 
>>> Why do you see value in reducing the MOQ to an emotional response?
>>> 
>>> Furthermore, why do you see value in defining the undefinable DQ as
>>> 'emotions'?
>>> 
>>> -David.
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