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Hi Andre,

On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:06 AM, Andre <andrebroersen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mark to Andre:
> 
> One cannot say that emotions are not the same Thing as Quality since Quality is not definable as such.  Neither are emotions, since the static labels for it are not the emotions.  We must look to causes, and not confuse them with effects.  Static representation is an effect.
> 
> Andre:
> Hi Mark, I thought that this whole cause-and-effect thing is re-interpreted from the MOQ perspective.

Yes, indeed it moves away from the western view.  But you must agree that the language of presentation must bridge with the West.
> 
> Mark:
> Just because emotions result in definitions does not make them the definitions, does it?
> 
> Andre:
> I do not follow your 'logic' here Mark. It doesn't make sense to me at all.

It is easy to confuse the labels we intellectually provide to emotions with that which inspires the labels.  To say that the intellectualizing of emotions are the emotions (I prefer "passions") is what MoQ cautions against, as I understand it.  MoQ is a paradigm shift from all being static, to such static being "representational".  This is what is meant by the "ghost" analogy.  Am I presenting this in a clearer way?
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> Mark:
> If that were true, we would be trapped in sq, which we are not.
> 
> Andre:
> We ARE the patterns Mark, capable of apprehending Dynamic Quality.

I would say that we cannot be, except in the "representational mode".  We cannot separate "ourselves" from the dynamic in that way.  Such separation is an intellectual apparition which falls apart in MoQ.  MiQ provides the Quality paradigm which is unifying and dismisses the Western mode of intellectual separation through truths.
> 
> Mark:
> My arguments are well within the bounds of MoQ, but perhaps you can see a flaw in my logic.
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> Andre:
> With all due respect Mark, I wouldn't know where to start. I apologize but I do not have the time nor energy nor inclination required to follow this through.

Not a problem Andre, it is a difficult subject for many to grasp.

Cheers,
Mark
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