[MD] Tweaking the emergence

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Marsha,

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> Mark,
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> On Mar 4, 2012, at 12:52 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Marsha,
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>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>> Mark
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>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:35 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>> Hi Mark,p
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>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 3:23 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com>
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>>>>>> Hi Marsha,
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>>>>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>>>>>> Mark
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>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 11:51 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Mark,
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>>>>>>> Even 'free will' is an intellectual static pattern of value.  If you like the pattern, than you do.  I do not like its association with the word 'will' which seems to suggest an entity acting from its own independent impetus, which I totally reject.
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>>>>>> I do not see free will as static since it cannot be defined.
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>>>>>>> Concerning DQ, I cannot understand what you would expect me to say about that which is unknowable, undefinable and undividable?   'Not this, not that' seems most appropriate, and of course that would include not 'free will'.  But such a dynamic experience does establish a new appreciation for all static patterns, even 'free will'.
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>>>>>> Well you seemed to have said a lot above.  Maybe more than you should have.  Free will is dynamic experience.  Every moment is choice.  Remember mindfulness?
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>>>>> Hi Mark,
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>>>>> There is no 'I' in mindfulness.
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>>>>> Marsha
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>>>> Of course there is
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>>>> Mark
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>>> Oh, excuse me, my mistake...  It is probably true for you that mindfulness includes a huge "I".
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>>> Marsha
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>> Yes for me it becomes as big as the universe, there is no dualism sometimes.  It makes me both responsible and Humber.  Funny that.
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>> Of course I am always just speaking of my own experience, as I am sure are you when you experience the absence of "I".  I am not sure how that would feel.  I retain a memory of what happens to me in mindfulness.  Is you experience more impersonal?  Let me know the experience, perhaps I can relate; perhaps we are speaking of the same thing.
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>> Cheers,
>> Mark
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> What experience?
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Why yours of course.  Wasn't it you who said that experience is
reality.  Perhaps I should say: "Share your reality" to be consistent
within your view.  But I understand any hesitation, and the need for
privacy even within the avatar format of a discussion.  Whether you
share or not is up to you, of course.  I thought it might be
meaningful to me.  I hope this clarifies for you what I mean by
experience.  If not, I can try to present it in a different way.

I do not understand your loss of "I" under mindfulness; I was seeking
some enlightenment from you.

Cheers,
Mark


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