[MD] Tweaking the emergence

[MarshaV]

>> Marsha:
>> I already explained my experience of mindfulness:  There is no 'I' in
>> mindfulness.  A process occurs rather than an 'I' that acts.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Mark:
> Then how do you know that a process occurs if there is not "I" to
> affect?  Do you remember anything from when you experience
> mindfulness?  I am not saying that an "I" acts, that is just a
> projected need for a cause-effect paradigm.  If you drop the "act"
> part of it, what are you left with?  That is, what senses the process
> and makes it personal and subjective?  The whole paradigm of the
> subjective requires a subject.  If everything were simply objective,
> then I guess there would be no "I".  Perhaps that is where you are
> going with your patterns.  For me, this life is dear, and not some
> constructed fantasy outside of my involvement and creation.
> 
> I am not speaking of the intellectual construct for "I" for such a
> thing does not exist outside the intellect.  I am speaking of the
> "intuitive I", or what you call the conventional "I" which is much
> more real than any static construct you may come up with.  Do you not
> feel you exist?  Should you not pay attention to that feeling rather
> than try to  destroy it with static labels?  You may be floating in an
> intellectual bubble, but who am I to say such things?
> 
> I am, therefore I think.  Or is it there is nothing that thinks
> therefore, we cannot think that there might be something that thinks?
> Do you see what kind of paradox you have gotten yourself in by
> intellectually stating that the "I" does not exist except within the
> intellect's ability to deny it exists?  The human "I" does not exist
> for a computer, but we humans are a little different.  We are not just
> programed by patterns.  I am not sure why you would elevate the
> nonexistence of an intellectual "I" above what you are when you, and
> only you, looks through your eyes.  Isn't there something special
> about that?  I like to think such a thing IS special, and no form of
> intellectual logic will dispel that from me.  But, of course that is
> me.  And such "I" has nothing to do with the Ego, that would be a
> waste of a life.  Programmed by biological needs, and forever needing
> to grow larger in order to justify one's self, what a waste of a good
> life.  Stay away from pride, is what I was taught, it will destroy.
> 
> But, of course, that is my opinion, and you have yours.  All we are
> doing is sharing opinions, not trying to convert each other.  That
> would be nonsense, for there is nothing to convert, is there?  Feel
> safe, your "I" is intact.  Nobody can touch it.  If your "I" simply
> changed depending on the influx of patterns, then you had better guard
> it with all the Ego you can muster.  For in that case, the "I" would
> be open to all sorts of patterned intrusion, some of it perhaps evil.
> 

Marsha:
Mindfulness is like having conceptions turned off and perceptions turned up.  


Cheers!