[MD] aggregates of grasping

[MarshaV]

Further, Mark, it seems you cannot understand the difference between object and process?




On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:36 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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> Hi Mark,
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> It seems you cannot understand the difference between an objective, independent existence and a relative, interdependent existence?  Well, I shall not be rushed into presenting a Tractatus, but at the very least a relative, interdependent existence will not require a primary source or a soul.     
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> Marsha 
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> On Mar 6, 2012, at 11:55 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Marsha,
>> You seem to be using your patterns as objects.  Am I wrong here?  I do
>> not see how you are making the patterns something different.  Even
>> objects can change, so that does not mean anything different.  It
>> would seem that your are simply performing a word change from
>> "objects" to "patterns".  How are they different?  We see a pattern on
>> a rug, because it repeats itself.  That is what a pattern is.  What is
>> it about your patterns that provides such repetition.  How is it that
>> you undergo pattern recognition?
>> 
>> Just seeking clarification for my own understanding.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On 3/6/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:
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>>>> I find it interesting that our beloved Marsha, who has consistently denied
>>>> her selfness, now denies her ability to form opinions, as well.  After
>>>> reviewing Mark's analysis of her March 4 dissertation on feelings and
>>>> their ownership, Marsha responded:
>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know enough to form an opinion.  It is extremely interesting,
>>>>> though,
>>>>> and I hope to learn more.
>>>> 
>>>> One can only wonder what all those quotes posted from the Vedanta and
>>>> Buddhist scholars are intended to express if not her opinion.  Marsha has
>>>> certainly formulated her own opinion of what a SOM pattern is, since
>>>> "ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static
>>>> patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value" has
>>>> become the mantra that identifies her.
>>> 
>>> Hello Ham,
>>> 
>>> You must have been reading my thoughts, for I have surely been thinking
>>> about you, and hoping you would find a way to do what you do so well.
>>> 
>>> I would like to comment on the term "SOM pattern".  For the expression seems
>>> both true and false.  The mind does seem to have evolved to reify ALL useful
>>> experience into objects of conception & perception; it is a very insidious
>>> tendency.  I do believe my definition of static patterns helps to move one's
>>> ideas about "objects" from discrete, bounded, objective entities to ones of
>>> pragmatically formed, recursive, interdependent "patterns of value
>>> (processes)".
>>> 
>>> And, yes, I have found much useful detail presented by Vedanta and Buddhist
>>> scholars.  It often surprises me how clearly they present very difficult and
>>> strange (to the Western way of thinking) ideas. But always I believe one
>>> should continually check and verify.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
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