[MD] aggregates of grasping

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I understand this as well.
Mark

On 3/7/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> Further, Mark, it seems you cannot understand the difference between object
> and process?
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> On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:36 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>> Hi Mark,
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>> It seems you cannot understand the difference between an objective,
>> independent existence and a relative, interdependent existence?  Well, I
>> shall not be rushed into presenting a Tractatus, but at the very least a
>> relative, interdependent existence will not require a primary source or a
>> soul.
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>> Marsha
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>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 11:55 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> You seem to be using your patterns as objects.  Am I wrong here?  I do
>>> not see how you are making the patterns something different.  Even
>>> objects can change, so that does not mean anything different.  It
>>> would seem that your are simply performing a word change from
>>> "objects" to "patterns".  How are they different?  We see a pattern on
>>> a rug, because it repeats itself.  That is what a pattern is.  What is
>>> it about your patterns that provides such repetition.  How is it that
>>> you undergo pattern recognition?
>>>
>>> Just seeking clarification for my own understanding.
>>>
>>> Mark
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>>> On 3/6/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:35 AM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:
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>>>>> I find it interesting that our beloved Marsha, who has consistently
>>>>> denied
>>>>> her selfness, now denies her ability to form opinions, as well.  After
>>>>> reviewing Mark's analysis of her March 4 dissertation on feelings and
>>>>> their ownership, Marsha responded:
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>>>>>> I don't know enough to form an opinion.  It is extremely interesting,
>>>>>> though,
>>>>>> and I hope to learn more.
>>>>>
>>>>> One can only wonder what all those quotes posted from the Vedanta and
>>>>> Buddhist scholars are intended to express if not her opinion.  Marsha
>>>>> has
>>>>> certainly formulated her own opinion of what a SOM pattern is, since
>>>>> "ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static
>>>>> patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value" has
>>>>> become the mantra that identifies her.
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>>>> Hello Ham,
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>>>> You must have been reading my thoughts, for I have surely been thinking
>>>> about you, and hoping you would find a way to do what you do so well.
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>>>> I would like to comment on the term "SOM pattern".  For the expression
>>>> seems
>>>> both true and false.  The mind does seem to have evolved to reify ALL
>>>> useful
>>>> experience into objects of conception & perception; it is a very
>>>> insidious
>>>> tendency.  I do believe my definition of static patterns helps to move
>>>> one's
>>>> ideas about "objects" from discrete, bounded, objective entities to ones
>>>> of
>>>> pragmatically formed, recursive, interdependent "patterns of value
>>>> (processes)".
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>>>> And, yes, I have found much useful detail presented by Vedanta and
>>>> Buddhist
>>>> scholars.  It often surprises me how clearly they present very difficult
>>>> and
>>>> strange (to the Western way of thinking) ideas. But always I believe one
>>>> should continually check and verify.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
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