[MD] Why are things called patterns?

[MarshaV]

Yes, Gov!  



On Mar 10, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:

> Marsha
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> Why do you continue to deliberately and wilfully misinterpret what I have said?
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> I have not banned anyone from talking about the intellectual level - I merely put a limit on the number of posts per day for discussing the SOLAQI nonsense due to Bo swamping ALL discussions on the subject and refusing to stop being a pain in the arse and I spent a considerable amount of time doing so. In the end Bo threw a hissy fit and removed himself from the discussion because he couldn't have his own way and refused to listen. His stupidity, arrogance and childishness are his problem not mine.
> If you check the archives you will see that I did not ban anyone from discussing their interpretation of the Intellectual level so please stop trying to make out that I'm some sort of dictator who bans people and discussions on this forum just because I don't want to hear them or I disagree with what they say.
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> If I think someone is behaving inappropriately I ask them to stop and if they refuse then I remove them. Simple. It is my job as owner and administrator of this forum to try and keep the discussion to Pirsigs MoQ and if forum members don't like the way I do it then that's too bad.
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> If you want to discuss your interpretation of the Intellectual level that's fine - however, if you want to discuss SOLAQI (or whatever acronym Bo has decide on) then limit your posts as I have requested. If you're not discussing SOLAQI (or some sort of disguised version of it) then feel free to discuss your ideas - however I would ask that you don't try and tell everyone that Pirsig is an idiot or a traitor to the MoQ or doesn't understand his own ideas etc.
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> Are we clear now or will I have to repeat myself yet again in a few weeks time?
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> Horse
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> On 10/03/2012 16:32, MarshaV wrote:
>> Hi Ron,
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>> I am not sure that there is a clear definition or consensus concerning the Intellectual Level, and unless Horse opens up the topic, I have been banned from discussing my interpretation/definition.  Further, we live in a global world where Eastern and Western philosophies might be brought together and moved forward, so I see no need to exclude either's point-of-view.  As far as I know Eastern philosophy is not enlightenment or nirvana, but is suppose to move one's understanding towards that state.  They struggle with overcoming the same self/object reification that the West struggles with.  At least, imho.
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>> Marsha
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>> On Mar 10, 2012, at 10:06 AM, X Acto wrote:
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>>> 
>>> Marsha to Dan:
>>>  Then intellectual static patterns of value are a particular category of pattern that began to emerge with the ancient Greeks and functions in a particular manner:  mathematics, philosophy, science, etc.
>>> 
>>> Ron sez:
>>> Although this was well said I think it can be summed up more generally by pointing to
>>> the value of reflection, particularly reflection apon which concepts are best and
>>> more importantly, our reasons for valuing them as the distinction marking what western
>>> culture means by the term "intellectual" and more precisely what our group means  by
>>> the distinction of an intellectual "level".
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>>> 
>>> ..
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