[MD] Why are things called patterns?

[MarshaV]

David,

With RMP describing "consciousness" as the "process of defining Dynamic Quality" with definitions being "static patterns", and with static quality referring "to anything that can be conceptualised and is a synonym for the conditioned in Buddhist philosophy", I think a clear _relationship_, between ALL static patterns, within all levels, and the conceptualization process has been established.  This is why I think looking at the similarities of all patterns, regardless of evolution, can be beneficial.   

Marsha 


On Mar 19, 2012, at 4:15 AM, David Harding <davidjharding at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Craig,
> 
>> [David]
>>> These are ideas which you communicate to me...we are talking. And we can only ever talk in ideas.
>>> These are ideas which you communicate to me.
>> 
>> This seems to be an example of the fallacy of mistaking the menu for the food.
>> 1) Beef, chicken & fish are on the menu
>> 2) Only words are on the menu
>> 3) :. Beef, chicken & fish are words
> 
> Yes, words representing things is a *good* *idea*.
> 
>> or  
>> 
>> 1) Brushing your teeth is a good idea
>> 2) An idea is an intellectual pattern
>> 3) :. Brushing your teeth is a (good) intellectual pattern
>> 
>> "The MOQ says that Quality comes first, which produces ideas, which produce what we know as matter."
>> [Pirsig, Lila's Child] 
>> "Playti have been laying eggs and suckling their young for million of years before there were
>> zoologists" [Pirsig, Lila's Child]
>> 
>> How do we reconcile these two statements?
> 
> I don't see a contradiction.
> 
>> One way would be to say that in the first quote, Pirsig is talking about matter as "theoretical entities",
>> such as atomic nuclei surrounded by orbiting electrons.  In the second quote, he is talking about platypi
>> as biological patterns, apart from any classification that zoologists assign them.
> 
> In the first quote - Pirsig is talking about how the mind / matter debate isn't an either / or debate.   Pirsig solves the mind / matter debate by claiming that there is something more fundamental than either matter or ideas - it's quality.   Pirsig reminds us, in the first quote, that while ideas produce what we know as matter, that isn't the end of the story.  He says it is a *good* idea that matter comes first.  And because quality is fundamental and not ideas; then we should behave and live as if matter is first when it is *good* to do so. Such an instance of a *good* time to do so is when zoologists are studying Platipi. This is what Pirsig is talking about in his second statement..
> 
> -David.
> 
> 
> 
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