[MD] The value of static patterns.

[Tuukka Virtaperko]

21.3.2012 23:46, david buchanan kirjoitti:
> Tukka said to Joe, Marsha, DMB:
> ....Marsha may be incoherent or weird, but she had contributed even more than Joe. Nobody has to believe her or take her as some sort of an ideologist, but it appears than in the past, she has inspired people and somehow fueled discussion. She is respected at LS, where people follow what is being spoken here.
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> dmb says:
> Apparently you are unaware, Tukka, that the "LS" group is composed of a bunch of rejects. To be respected there is a shameful thing.

Tuukka:

Lol lol lol... throwing away respect, are we? You think you're so grand 
you can simply _afford_ to have other people not respect you? Well well 
well... you have a lot to learn from life, kiddo


Tuukka also said:
Why don't you focus on my work? Are you just being a bully or are you trying to "purify" the MOQ from potential adulterants? In the latter case, my work is of much more concern to you.

dmb says:
Agreement with Pirsig is not required, like I already said, but it simply isn't possible to agree, disagree, improve, alter, illuminate ANYTHING until you understand it first. I sincerely wish there was competent disagreement around here. That sort of thing can be very educational. My complaint are not about the lack of conformity. It's about the lack of quality in thought and speech. It's about getting rid of incoherent drivel, not alternative views.


Tuukka:
Hey, I agree with you on this one. The debate isn't that sophisticated, only the mental atmosphere is nice because of the absence of the usual compulsory Western illusions and fallacies. But I think it's better to recruit new members, somehow, than to complain to the current ones.

I sure would like to improve the level of this forum. I haven't been active here for such a long time. You know, maybe if Mark or Matt were still interested of the things they once were, and met me now, maybe we could cooperate a lot. Maybe a new Mark or Matt will come.

But the MOQ should attract attention in order to get new members. The question is, given that Pirsig is largely inert currently, how do we do this? On whose authority?

Despite criticizing the level of discussion here, I'd like to thank Mark for some excellent and recent discussions.

-Tuukka