[MD] Why are things called patterns?

[MarshaV]

The thougt



On Mar 24, 2012, at 1:06 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> No, to "think so" does not require the cognitive process.  You are entangled in the same paradox that David is, I believe.  If one remains only in the static world then there is so much missed, in my opinion.  Just consider your "think so" as a paradox which does not have much use.  There are plenty of paradoxes that are useless, like "everything you know is false".  This is just logic feeding on itself.  What you present is a circular logic which has no escape. Zeno also proved that nothing moved, but this is useless from an intuitive point of view.
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> I could say that what you say is not your own but dependent on pre-existing conditions, and thereby state that the cognitive process is only reflexive, therefore there is no cognition at all, but only "drift".  This would also be a senseless argument in the face of DQ.  
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> If everything is cognitive, then how does one follow DQ?  You say "well that is a cognitive argument", and I say "no, it is dependent drift", and the conversation becomes totally meaningless.
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> In Zen there is the concept of "thinking" without thinking.  Give it a try, it may open up new "understandings" for you.
> 
> This is of course just my opinion and you do not have to agree with it, as I do not of yours.  Just ask yourself how intuitive is this cognitive process that you claim is everything.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
> Mark
> 
> On Mar 23, 2012, at 8:53 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>> On Mar 23, 2012, at 7:05 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Marsha,
>>> I believe that much can be apprehended outside of the cognitive process.  I would hazard to say that 99% of our apprehension is outside of such cognition.  How much does your body go through In an hour?  How much of that reaches the cognitive process.
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>> To think so requires the cognitive process.  
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>>> We cannot strictly separate ourselves from the environment, but when we do, that is the cognitive process.  When is each molecule part of ourselves or part of the environment (for example)?
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>> To think this requires the cognitive process.  
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>>> To claim that all must first pass through the cognitive process before it. Is ours, is to deny the dynamic as part of our experience, in my opinion.  But, I may be wrong (again).
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>> To think this requires the cognitive process.  None of your opinion can be apprehended apart from your cognitive process.
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>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>>> Mark
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>> Marsha 
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>>> On Mar 23, 2012, at 2:49 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>>> Craig,
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>>>> I am not saying patterns are mere ideas, but can anything at all be apprehended apart from one's complex of cognitive processes?  Not a universe, not billions-of-years, not humans, and not advanced civilizations.  
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>>>> Marsha 
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>>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:26 AM, craigerb at comcast.net wrote:
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>>>>> In regard to "ideas, which produce what we know as matter":
>>>>> it should be remembered how insignificant humans might be.
>>>>> Firstly, the universe existed billions of years before humans & if humans demise, might exist billions of years after.
>>>>> Secondly, there might be civilizations way more advanced than us, that make us look primitive. 
>>>>> Craig
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