[MD] Contradiction and incoherence

[MarshaV]

Hi Mark,

I believe the RMP statement says that experience and value is the same; and I concede that it would seem correct to state that pure experience is synonymous with Dynamic Quality.  That was my point for presenting the quote.  For me, static quality is not other than Dynamic Quality, Dynamic Quality is not other than static quality.  They are two sides of the same coin: Quality (or Value).  I know of three "types" of experience; there is the conceptual, the perceptual and the unpatterned.  The first is the run-of-the-mill "thinking".  Second is 'direct perception' or mindfulness; it is what is directly perceived without conceptual narration.  The third is no-thing and without any patterns; it's awareness without concepts or percepts.  This third you might say is an interesting place to visit, but I wouldn't want an extended stay, nonetheless it offers an interesting perspective.  It offers a kind of first-hand experience that static quality is not other than Dynamic Quality, Dynamic Quality is not other than static quality.  


Marsha 
 
 


On Mar 27, 2012, at 11:03 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> Do you concede this or does Pirsig?  I am not quite sure who you are talking about, but it would seem that perhaps you are speaking for Pirsig.  Are static values the same as value for you?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
> Mark
> 
> On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:30 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> I would concede that pure experience is synonymous with Dynamic Quality. 
>> 
>> 
>> "Value, the pragmatic test of truth, is also the primary empirical experience. The Metaphysics of Quality says pure experience is value. Experience which is not valued is not experienced. The two are the same."
>>    (LILA, Chapter 28)
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> Here in LILA, it states that experience and value are the same.  Static patterns of value are value, and RMP states that experience and value are the same.  Seems to me it is quite reasonable to state that static patterns of value are experience, though I might classify static patterns as second-hand (patterned) experience rather than pure experience.  
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
>> 
>> 
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