[MD] lila's soliloquy

[Tuukka Virtaperko]

Mark, Marsha

what Marsha is doing here, is, I contend, the core of MOQ. The core of 
MOQ is to think and live like that. The further theoretical 
investigations are useful in various ways, but they are not the essence 
of MOQ. At least not for anyone who doesn't take an unusually profound 
delight in manipulating abstract concepts. Rather, they serve as 
justification for the stance that it's not troublesome, dumb or even 
confusing to think and live like that. Rigorous formulation of the 
theory of MOQ may silence some of the skeptics, and maybe have 
unprecedented applications in the future, but it's not living the MOQ.

-Tuukka



28.3.2012 11:50, Tuukka Virtaperko wrote:
> Mark, Marsha
>
> Sorry for posting a short one. I try to not do that often. But I think 
> all Marsha's answers here are good. She's not making any mistakes that 
> I know of. Again, sentences like:
>
> "Static quality is not other than Dynamic Quality, Dynamic Quality is 
> not other than static quality."
>
> I'd say a slightly different thing: "Static quality is not other than 
> Dynamic Quality, static quality is not same as Dynamic Quality" for 
> clarity. But that's just minor tweaking.
>
> What I ecspecially like in these answers is that they are very 
> compact, yet the point is clear.
>
>
> -Tuukka
>
>
>
> 28.3.2012 11:27, MarshaV wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2012, at 11:16 PM, 118<ununoctiums at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> This makes sense to me.  For you is thinking just static or does it 
>>> have a dynamic component?
>> I cannot give an either/or answer.  Static quality is not other than 
>> Dynamic Quality, Dynamic Quality is not other than static quality.
>>
>>
>>> For me, most of thinking is following DQ, it is only when we 
>>> "objectivize" it for the purposes of exchange (words) that it is 
>>> temporarily static.  Our thinking is much more than words.
>> I might say patterns, even intellectual patterns, are much more than 
>> words.  And I might say that human experience is much more than 
>> concepts and percepts.  My definition of self/no-self includes 
>> Dynamic Quality.
>>
>>
>>> An analogy would be to create value into an object through money.  
>>> The value itself is not money, but we temporarily objectivize it 
>>> with money.  Once we obtain something of value, the money is not 
>>> important.  At least in theory.
>> Hmmm. It might be a workable theory.
>>
>>
>>> We follow DQ whether we like it or not, the point is to realize this 
>>> and revel in it.  This is Zen, in my opinion.
>> I don't know.
>>
>>
>>> It is simply a realization, and as such it is "nothing much", yet it 
>>> is everything.
>> Yes, I cannot disagree with this statement.  But knowing bikes can be 
>> ridden is not the same as knowing the experience of riding a bike.
>>
>>
>>> Enlightenment is realization, nothing changes.  We follow DQ, and 
>>> isn't it wonderful!!
>> Hmmmmmmmm.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>>> Mark
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2012, at 6:20 PM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not "whatever you like", but "whatever you think".  First with 
>>>> your question you create a world (and self) in time and space, and 
>>>> then you are bound to search and create answers containing causes 
>>>> and conditions and components to populate, explain and define it.  
>>>> Those causes, conditions and components (bits and pieces of 
>>>> pattern) that work best in your present become
>>>> reality.  But again I'd like to stress I have never said "whatever 
>>>> you like", but "whatever you think".  Lila is pointing to the 
>>>> thought-trap that represents the static (conventional) point-of-view.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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