[MD] reifying carrots

[Ian Glendinning]

I'd be OK with that John,

But as I say it's just about choosing which word you prefer for each
.... err .... concept.

Ian

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 6:13 PM,  <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ian,
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> The only real definition of intellectualism that I know, presupposes the subject/object split.   Which is why I prefer rationality to intellect, both as a label for the 4th level , and as an explanatory term for the process by which we transcend SOM.  I could go on and on about the difference between rational and intellectual, but the key and important difference is that rationality encompasses art and science both - the classic and the romantic , whereas intellect signifies classic science only.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 2, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Ian Glendinning <ian.glendinning at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> DMB says
>> (in response to Marsha reminding us - yet again, for some reason - of
>> the limits of intellectual concepts ...)
>> "That is profoundly anti-intellectual. If conceptualization is equated
>> with reification, then ALL static patterns are wrong and intellect can
>> never escape from SOM."
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>> Weird - but I just see the two of you violently agreeing again.
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>> It doesn't say "intellect" is necessarily bound by SOMism it says
>> intellectual patterns (of reified concepts) are bounded by SOM.
>>
>> This seems to be a MoQish truism to me. In fact it's that sticking
>> point with Bo's SOLAQI that I could never get through to him (or you).
>> We're just arguing about what definition of intellect we're using.
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>> We can choose to define an evolving MoQish intellect as more than the
>> sum of its static intellectual conceptual patterns - indeed we must.
>> (ie it includes all those Jamesian radical empirical processes too.)
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>> It's OK to be anti-SOMish-intellect.
>> It's not OK to be anti-a-more-enlightened-MoQish-intellect.
>> (whether you / we call it intellect or not.)
>> Ian
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