[MD] reifying carrots

[MarshaV]

Horse,

"‘Static quality’ refers to anything that can be conceptualised and is
a synonym for the conditioned in Buddhist philosophy."

  (McWatt, Anthony,'AN INTRODUCTION TO ROBERT PIRSIG’S METAPHYSICS OF QUALITY', 2005, p.29)

I didn't see a problem with exploring the relationship between static quality and the conceptualization process and the Buddhist conventional reality.  I see conceptualization as an aspect of consciousness.  Are you saying this is off limits too?  Let me know.

I wrote:  I am more and more convinced that conceptualization is the twin reification of self (subject) and other (object).  As such it would say something significant about ALL static patterns from the inorganic level to the intellectual level:  All patterns, all levels - inorganic, biological, social & intellectual - are conventionally, indeed, statically, subject-object oriented.


Marsha 





On May 4, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:

> Marsha
> 
> The point you seem to be missing is that DMB's definition of intellect is the same as Pirsig's. So when he, correctly, accuses you of anti-intellectualism he is saying that the definition of intellect that you are railing against is the same definition that Pirsig is using!
> That's why he is using quotes from Pirsig.
> How do you not see that?
> 
> Your continual and pointless demands for DMB to explain intellect is the equivalent of you sticking your fingers in your ears and saying you can't hear what he's saying and your posts regarding reification etc. are your continued effort to push Bo's warped and ridiculous SOLAQI idea under another guise. Different words, same subject.
> 
> If you are not able or willing to understand intellect as Pirsig (and DMB) have described it then that's your problem but kindly stop with the demands for DMB to explain what he has already explained a zillion times and which you completely ignore every time he does so. If you want to continue to discuss subjects and objects as the entirety of the MoQ's intellectual level in the guise of reification then go and discuss it where there are people stupid enough to listen to and agree with what you are saying. I'm sure they'll be only too happy to tell you what bad people we are here on MD and how cruel and stupid we are for not letting you post 50 times a day about anything EXCEPT Pirsig's MoQ.
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> This forum is called moq_discuss because it's Pirsig's MoQ that we're here to discuss not Buddhism or solaqi or whatever other non-MoQ subjects you continually post about.
> Enough is enough - clear?
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> Horse
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> On 04/05/2012 17:44, MarshaV wrote:
>> Hi dmb,
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>> <snip>
>> You accused me of being anti-intellectual…  Please explain intellectual (patterned) quality so I know what I am accused of being against???
>> 
>> I don't think this post proves anything except that you cannot explain yourself clearly.
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>> Marsha
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