[MD] reifying carrots

[Horse]

Marsha

I'll make this short and to the point.
Your recent postings about reification, conceptualization etc. are no 
more than a rehash of Bo's Lesser/Greater (and possibly spotted) 
SOLILOQUY or whatever acronym is currently doing the rounds.
I wasn't entirely sure about this and initially had my doubts, but after 
having read what has been said about your idea on the other list, my 
initial misgivings were confirmed.
Given that this is little more than a re-hash of Bo's idea that the 
intellectual level is the level of subjects and objects, it is not 
something that I wish to continue with. Bo had 10 years or more to 
convince us of this idea and, for the most part he failed. I do not wish 
to spend another 10 years going over the same ideas, resulting from the 
same mistakes that he made so if you wish to discuss it then go and 
discuss it with him and those that support him but do not continue it here.
You may not see a problem with it but I do and as I'm running this list 
and have said in the past that I want nothing more to do with it that 
should be the end of it.
Other areas of the Quality/Buddhist systems may well be productive but 
this certainly isn't.
This does not come within the realms of Robert Pirsigs MoQ - he has said 
so quite plainly - and MD is for discussion of Robert Pirsigs MoQ.

Horse

On 04/05/2012 18:43, MarshaV wrote:
> Horse,
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> "‘Static quality’ refers to anything that can be conceptualised and is
> a synonym for the conditioned in Buddhist philosophy."
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>    (McWatt, Anthony,'AN INTRODUCTION TO ROBERT PIRSIG’S METAPHYSICS OF QUALITY', 2005, p.29)
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> I didn't see a problem with exploring the relationship between static quality and the conceptualization process and the Buddhist conventional reality.  I see conceptualization as an aspect of consciousness.  Are you saying this is off limits too?  Let me know.
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> I wrote:  I am more and more convinced that conceptualization is the twin reification of self (subject) and other (object).  As such it would say something significant about ALL static patterns from the inorganic level to the intellectual level:  All patterns, all levels - inorganic, biological, social&  intellectual - are conventionally, indeed, statically, subject-object oriented.
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> Marsha
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