[MD] Moving on

[Andre Broersen]

Mark to Arlo:

Maybe a clarification in how I am using terms here is appropriate. When I say "religious", I am referring to the dogmatic dictatorial leadership of something like the Christian Church.

Andre:
And I would suggest that, maybe Mark, you are off course here from an MoQ perspective.

Mark:
Moving over to MoQ.  We seem to be parcing the words which Pirsig spoke or wrote in the same manner as the bible is read by many.  We throw out quotes to show how right we are.  I find this to be religious.

Andre:
And here you have it. Slipped back into a SOM perspective. NOT MoQ.

Mark:
I believe we need to understand what we are trying to do by leaving it undefined.  In older customs, such denial of definition required meditation, yoga, (yes even) prayer, personal teacher, in order to achieve an understanding. Again, this does not work in our modern world of "explain to me with words" society.  We know what undefined means.

Andre:
And what does 'undefined' mean then Mark? ...to appease our 'modern' society?

Mark:
With such knowledge we can then move forward and discuss Quality.

Andre:
Want to repeat ZMM and the first seven chapters of LILA?

Mark:
Any discussion requires objective definitions.  These are simply tools and do not bind Quality unless we let them.  We are not so degenerate.

Andre:
This completely contradicts the previous statement in your post. Are you speaking for yourself or others? In other words are you projecting...which is the same thing?

Mark:
In terms of theism.  I personally do not have a problem with that word since it implies knowing of that which cannot be defined.

Andre:
I really think you are deluding yourself Mark...but, of course cannot confirm. I think you want certainty. Ha! Be yourself and you have it...but stop talking bullshit to Anthony (among other people). Who the fuck do you think you are...just because you happen to live in California? I only know one thing about that state: Swartzenegger and California Dreaming. Are you the mamma, the pappa or fucking both?!!

Mark:
Hope this explains how I use the words.

Andre:
Yea, like Marsha does. Go and find yourself my friend ....somewhere else. Mark does not have quality, Quality has Mark.