[MD] Plato's Good

[ridgecoyote at gmail.com]

Right.  As I've said many times, Quality can be defined only in experience. 

John 

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On May 10, 2012, at 12:51 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:

> Hi Dmb
> 
> Of course there is a way to define a fixed idea out of Pirsig's undefined Quality. 
> 
> Just imagine how everyone on this planet knows how to keep his balance, how to stand right up on this planet. Everyone knows what's up and down but everyone has has his own everchanging answer to it, depending on where he is actually.
> 
> Jan Anders
> 
> 10 maj 2012 kl. 00:39 skrev david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>:
> 
>> 
>> Ridgecoyote said to Tuukka:
>> Plato sounds like a lot of folks around here, doncha think?
>> 
>> Pirsig wrote: "Plato hadn't tried to destroy areté. He had encapsulated it; made a permanent, fixed Idea out of it; had converted it to a rigid, immobile Immortal Truth. He made areté the Good, the highest form, the highest Idea of all. It was subordinate only to Truth itself, in a synthesis of all that had gone before."
>> 
>> 
>> dmb says:
>> Who "around here" has ever tried to make a fixed idea out of Pirsig's undefined Quality? Definitions are static and intellectual. The MOQ is static and intellectual. Concepts are static and intellectual. If I can speak for "folks around here", what we want is the proper use of terms and intelligible expressions of ideas. Nobody is asking for a definition of DQ and nobody is saying that pre-intellectual experience (DQ) can be pinned down by words or ideas. 
>> Can you show me a single counter-example wherein somebody is trying to turn Quality into a fixed and permanent Idea, or even an idea of any kind? I think your charge is totally baseless and wholly without merit.                           
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