[MD] An Open Letter to the MOQ Discussion Group

[Horse]

Hi Dan

On 12/05/2012 04:40, Dan Glover wrote:
> Hello everyone
>
> The majority of posts arriving in my mail box lately marked MD lack
> any semblance of quality. I had hoped for better, what with folk like
> Anthony McWatt, Andre, dmb, and Arlo taking a more active role in the
> discussions of late. But from what I see, they're being pulled down
> into the mire of idiocy by the usual suspects.

I think you're about right - although I think that there have been some 
good posts recently from the above mentioned but they are good in that 
they are countering poor arguments from others.
Most of us are here to learn and are willing to do so, whilst there are 
a few who are not.

> Mark... can't you get a frigging job? Is that why you have the time to pound the keyboard and submit moronic posts that go on and on and say nothing pertaining to
> the MOQ?

Mark's purpose on MD (as I've said from the early days of his posts) has 
always had little to do with MoQ and more to do with Mark. Right from 
the off, Mark has made a point of contradicting anything and everything 
from anyone who has a good handle on the MoQ. Where he can't come up 
with a good reasoned argument - which is the norm - he goes into total 
waffle mode. You can see this on many of his recent posts to Anthony - 
complete waffling nonsense!
Mark is a 'Top Dogger' and an attention seeker.
By being contrary to everyone he sees as knowledgeable and winding them 
up with nonsense arguments he can project an image that he is also 
knowledgeable about the MoQ. Unfortunately it's an image and not real.
Mark is also apparently anti-authority, or at least this is what he has 
said in the past. What he means is that he is anti the authority of 
others but most definitely not anti his own authority which he tries to 
assert at every possible moment.
Mark is, I think, an egotist who has tried to dominate MD through an 
inundation of posts which actually say little or nothing of value about 
the MoQ. Mark has a lot more to do with the social level than anything 
resembling intellect and would probably be much more suited to the other 
list, which is mainly social and where he can post as often as he likes. 
He won't go there though because he knows that MD is the place to be 
regarding the MoQ.

> I am sure I'm not the only one feeling frustrated with the lack of
> quality here. Am I? Andre seems about ready to go ballistic and dmb
> appears at his wit's end trying to get through to the likes of Marsha
> (and John more recently). Do you people really want drive away the
> most articulate and caring members of this group? If that's your aim,
> I'd say you're heading down the right path, or the wrong one,
> whichever the case may be.

John has left MD and I see little point in his returning - again, as 
with Mark, I think his input is more social than intellectual.
I think Marsha is a slightly different case to Mark and John in that she 
is genuinely interested in and passionate about the MoQ.

> I cannot even begin to engage these folk any longer... I'm about ready
> to give up and unsubscribe. I doubt anyone would miss me all that much
> anyway.

Don't be daft Dan, of course we'd miss you :) - well, anyone with a 
genuine interest in the MoQ would anyway, which includes the majority of 
the folk you've mentioned above.

> And you know what? It's fine if we're just going to tell each
> other stories... nothing wrong with that. Hey... I'm still waiting to
> hear about the Playwright and the Janitor. Still, this is supposed to
> be a discussion group dedicated to the work of Robert Pirsig... more
> specifically, Lila. And yes, I love discussing ZMM too... but only
> with those who've actually read the work and understand the fundamentals.

Stick with it Dan - when we have access to folk like yourself, Ant, 
Andre, Arlo and DMB and lots of others it will come. How can it not :)

>
> And what happened to David Harding? Are you still out there? I am
> waiting for an answer to my latest post to you. Or have you given up
> too?
>

I doubt it.

Cheers

Horse

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