[MD] Is the MOQ static, or a static pattern?

[Tuukka Virtaperko]

Arlo,

> Arlo:
> I think this (recursion) is the primary force behind Pirsig's notion that "all this is just an analogy", and I think trying to got the route of 'regress' (rather than recursion) is a result of the very SOM type thinking Pirsig is arguing against.

Tuukka:
Is this *recursion* an analogy of something I'm supposed to imagine or 
"just perceive", or does it have static form?

> Arlo:
>
> In other words, you are trying to extend Pirsig's statement to read "all this is just an analogy, except this statement", and I think Pirsig would instead extend it by saying "all this is just analogy, including this statement".

Tuukka:
I'm also doing the latter. But the problem is, the analogy doesn't work 
that well if the MOQ is decisively an intellectual pattern. All static 
value patterns can incorporate the MOQ in their own way - even as the 
pages of a book or the state of the brain. If you insist that the MOQ 
must be located in patterns, then why should it only be located in one 
pattern instead of all the patterns? In what way is it possible to 
contemplate the MOQ without a biological organism doing the 
contemplation in such a way, that the MOQ is stored in the brain of that 
organism?

The MOQ may belong to patterns, but I find it simpler to say all 
patterns can include an instance of the MOQ. In the context of a certain 
discussion, we may specify we're speaking of "an inorganic MOQ (the 
pages of a book)" or "an intellectual MOQ", but to state it as some 
general truth, independent of context, that the MOQ is only an 
intellectual pattern, seems redundant, or rather, like asking for 
trouble. The assertion seems to give no valuable insight, and is easy or 
even trivial to be subjected to cogent objection.

If Pirsig said the MOQ is an intellectual pattern, he was not wrong. But 
there's no reason to argue the MOQ can't manifest within any static 
value pattern.

Tuukka