[MD] Is the MOQ static, or a static pattern?

[ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR]

[Tuukka]
Is this *recursion* an analogy of something I'm supposed to imagine or "just perceive", or does it have static form?

[Arlo]
Recursion, like 'regress' or 'addition' or 'emergence' is an intellectual pattern of value used to describe experience. Other than Dynamic Quality, everything (from inorganic through intellectual) is static quality. This statement of yours is really confusing to me, Tuukka, your use of "imagine" and "just perceive". For example, on one hand you seem to imply patterns of imagination are not static quality (they are), and on the other hand you seem to equate immediate perception (which I read here as immediate experience) with 'imagination'. Direct experience (DQ) comes before patterns of thought (sq).

[Tuukka]
All static value patterns can incorporate the MOQ in their own way - even as the pages of a book or the state of the brain.

[Arlo]
Well this is simply stating that ALL patterns of value emerge from the level(s) underneath them. The human body (biological pattern) contains carbon and oxygen and nitrogen (inorganic patterns). But you don't consider you body simply a collection of inorganic patterns, do you? It is something 'more', in a way that makes it ineffectual to define higher levels by their lower levels.

To imply the MOQ is a collection of inorganic patterns of value, because intellectual patterns emerge from social patterns, which emerge from biological patterns, which in turn emerge from inorganic patterns, really doesn't say or explain the MOQ in any meaningful way.

Student: Tuukka, what is the MOQ?
Tuukka: Its a collection of carbon, oxygen, nitrogen atoms, human cells, antibodies, hearts, lungs, brains, customs, practices, language, mathematics, science and art.


[Tuukka]
If you insist that the MOQ must be located in patterns, then why should it only be located in one pattern instead of all the patterns?

[Arlo]
Now you're committing another error, you're conflating "the Metaphysics of Quality" with "Quality". It is Quality that is 'located' in all the patterns (which is why they all end 'of Quality'. The MOQ is an intellectual description explaining that. Although 'location' is kinda SOM-y, I'd go with 'manifest' as you say later, something like Quality is 'manifest' or 'revealed' in all static patterns, or that all patterns are an 'expression of' or 'response to' Quality.

By the way, in all my years here I have seen not one "cogent objection" to the MOQ as an intellectual pattern, but I have seen many against this idea. Your statement that as an intellectual pattern it is "general truth, independent of context" simply is more S/O confusion. I think Pirsig is fairly clear that the idea of that 'truth' is independent of context is exactly the type of SOM thinking his MOQ argues against.