[MD] Is the MOQ static, or a static pattern?
craigerb at comcast.net
craigerb at comcast.net
Fri May 18 12:06:52 PDT 2012
[Craig, previously]
2 + 2 = 4. What possible revision?
[Horse]
> Doesn't 2 + 2 = 4 by convention upon which it is provisional?
Symbols have meaning, which is determined by convention/use. Conventions are provisional; they can & do
change. No one doubts this (I hope). Is this what is meant by "Truth is provisional"?
If so, I suggest for clarity sake we replace it with "Words can change meaning".
[Arlo]
2+2=4 is only useful inside a specific symbolic system where we agree on a certain set of shared axioms.
> Change the axioms, remove the usefulness, and this statement means nothing.
> "Shape" is a pattern we apply, for its usefulness.
Yes, meaning depends on use & we tend to use things that are useful.
This the case for what's true & what's false.
[Horse]
> After all:
1 + 1 = 10
1 + 1 = 10 is true in binary notation, just as 1 + 1 = 2 is true in decimal notation.
Each is true relative to its notation system, but neither revises the truth of the other.
[Horse]
A + B = 15
A + B = 21
This just seems like "A + B" is being used ambiguously.
Compare:
Elizabeth never married.
Elizabeth married Philip.
The first is Elizabeth I, the next Elizabeth II. That Elizabeth II married Philip does not revise
the truth of Elizabeth I never marrying. Now we might uncover evidence that Elizabeth I was secretly
married, and so revise our belief that she never married.
Is this what is meant by "Truth is provisional"? If so, I suggest for clarity sake we replace it with
"Beliefs can change".
[Craig, previously]
> But that the sailor successfully used a map of the West Indies to navigate the islands of the East Indies
> doesn't make it a correct map of the East Indies.
[Arlo]
> You're confusing 'useful to a sailor' with 'useful to a cartographer', or assuming one defines objectively true
> and untrue. In either case, both maps are 'right' to their respective users so long as they are useful,
> when this breaks down for either the map becomes (for them) the 'wrong' map.
[Horse]
> if a pedestrian managed to find Oxford St in London
> by using a map of Manchester would the map be useful - it would be by
> luck and not design, so, overall the map wouldn't be useful.
> And she wouldn't find it useful for very long anyway as it would be unlikely to
> work more than once and for the most part you'd have no idea where you
> are! Not a good map.
Good point & helps solve Arlo's problem.
Craig
More information about the Moq_Discuss
mailing list