[MD] kill all intellectual patterns

[Andre Broersen]

Marsha to Andre:
You're being nasty again and unforgivably out of tune, so until you 
learn to sing your own sweet philosophical song I am putting you on junk 
status.

Andre:
Marsha, your anti-intellectualism shines as bright as the sun on a clear 
winter's day. Your unforgivable nihilism (based on all sq is unltimately 
emptiness anyway) combined with what you claim shows your confusion 
again and again.

Here's an excerpt from an intelligent man talking:
'It is not possible to take refuge in the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha 
intellectually. We cannot attain spiritual security or peace in this 
way. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO THROW AWAY OUR INTELLECT, BUT PLEASE, LET 
THE INTELLECTUAL SENSE JUST JOIN IN, AND PRACTICE WITH WHOLEHEARTEDNESS. 
Then, spiritual security is present...In Katagiri's life, the 
intellectual world is always coming up, but if I want to give you 
Buddha's teaching beyond our cultural backgrounds, all I have to do is 
be present right now, right here, with wholeheartedness and then talk.' 
My emphasis. (Dainin Katagiri).

You seem to have this weird understanding of what Pirsig means by 'kill 
all intellectual patterns', which you apparently use to defend your 
anti-intellectual drivel. And your quote from Hagen is a nice example of 
what Pirsig means by the difference between his MoQ and Buddha's 
teaching AND, within the MoQ, pointing the way for both programs to 
wonderfully complement and strengthen one another.

On the back of Hagan's book Pirsig makes the distinction and similarity 
very clear. You just emphasise the one and kill the other in the process 
of doing so. That is why you are still stuck in SOM. You fail to 
integrate. To you the intellectual level is about reified objects of 
knowledge. Both Pirsig and Gautama Buddha deny this, contradict this, 
fight this tooth and nail.

And you fail to see or grasp this. Your projections on this discuss are 
in that sense nothing but piles of junk.

Marsha:
'... so until you learn to sing your own sweet philosophical song I am 
putting you on junk status.?

Andre:
I am not here to 'sing my own sweet philosophical song' Marsha. That is 
yet another one of your misunderstandings and confusions. I am here to 
learn and talk about Pirsig's MoQ and see it as inappropriate to bother 
other members on this discuss with my own shadows. Too much of that 
drivel is occurring here every day of the week anyway and it is very 
gumption-sucking and de-motivating.

Go away Marsha, put yourself in the junkpile for awhile.