[MD] kill all intellectual patterns

X Acto xacto at rocketmail.com
Tue Nov 20 20:29:12 PST 2012




dmb says:

The problem, Pirsig says, is that "Reason and Quality had become separated and in conflict with each other" back in the days of Plato. Plato had made Quality subordinate to reason, to truth. The MOQ's solution is to reverse that priority.

"Reason was to be subordinate, logically, to Quality."

That's how Pirsig puts it in ZAMM but then you see this same solution in Lila. The MOQ's pragmatic truth maintains that reversed priority so that truth is within Quality and subordinate to Quality.

"That was exactly what is meant by the Metaphysics of Quality. Truth is a static intellectual pattern within a larger entity called Quality."

Socrates:
 Philebus says that pleasure is the right aim for all living beings and all should try to strive for it,
that it is at the same time the good for all things, so that good and pleasent are but two names
that really belong to what is by nature one and the same. Socrates by contrast,affirms that these
are not one in the same thing but two, just as they are two in name, that the good and the pleasent
have a different nature, and that intelligence has a greater share in the good than pleasure.

Socrates stated in Plato's "Philebus" measure and proportion manifest themselves as beauty and virtue
and that if we cannot capture the good in one form, we will have to take hold of it in a conjunction of
meaning of three forms : beauty, proportion and truth.

"What I want to find out here , my dear freind Protarchus, was not what art or science excels all others
by its grandeur, by it's nobility or by it's usefulness to us. Our concern here was rather to find which one
aims for clarity, precision and the highest degree of truth, even if it is a minor discipline and our benefit
is small."


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