[MD] kill all intellectual patterns

[X Acto]

Mark had said:

I would propose that there is only one Truth.  The pragmatists have relegated truths to usefulness which convert the basic meaning of truth to something else.  I have presented the self/serving aspect of pragmatists in a previous post.

When dmb requests an appropriate reading of Pirsig, he is pointing towards interpretation.  What often happens with any fundamental presentation of Reality is the high jacking of such interpretation into dogma.  This is the danger I see with dmb's pronouncements.  It would seem that he regards himself as the True interpreter of Pisig's writings.  This same thing happened with Christianity where people had to go to priests in order to understand the "true message".

By its very teachings, MoQ is anti-dogmatic.  The complete subjugation of MoQ's intent into the realm of SQ, which seems to be dmb's intent with his constant use of biblical quotes is not only counterproductive in a discussion forum, but dangerous to MoQ.

Dmb represents the academic arm of MoQ.  His pronouncements should be viewed in terms of such SQ.  what he is lacking is the dynamic aspect of what Pirsig presents.  I am glad that Marsha takes the time to bring balance to the discussion of Quality.

Ron:
What is being called for is consistancy and clarity in meaning and if clarity is the hallmark of a good explanation, contradiction runs
counter to that end. But lets look at some of the things that are being brought to the table and see if we can salvage a philosophic discussion.
Because if the aim of rational thought concerns itself with what is best, then what Marsha brings is not balance to a discussion of Quality
nor you Mark, for that matter.

> dmb said:
> That's the meaning of "truth" in the MOQ. "Truth is a static intellectual pattern within a larger entity called Quality."
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> Marsha replied:
> Sure, 'truth' is _a_ (one among many) intellectual static pattern of value.  A few definitions can be found in the dictionary.  And?
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> dmb says:
> What? You think truth is singular? You think there is only one truth? That's absurd. Nobody has ever believed such a silly thing and for pragmatists like Pirsig there are many truths, all of which are provisional and invented - as opposed to eternal and discovered.  
 
Ron:
Well, if we are to take Dynamic Quality as eternal and discovered, that which persists through time and extends beyond the individual
experience then we are indeed speaking about a singular truth, that which the monism of MoQ is predicated upon...
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> dmb said previously:
> There is nothing logically contradictory about having an experience while thinking at the same time. The idea here is to get them both working TOGETHER. And doing that means putting them in their proper relation, knowing which is which.
 
Ron:
Right, as A.N. Whitehead asserted, :"We must construe our knowledge of the appearent world as being an individual experience
of something which is more than personal. Nature is thus a totality including individual experiences, so that we must reject the distinction
between nature as it really is and our experiences of it which are purely psychological. Our experiences of the appearent world are
nature itself." Now there is a lot to chew on here and it has a quite a bit to say on the matter of truth as a sort of singularity, the ancients
exhaulted truth as that which was the closest to the good, in other words truth is not just one of many static patterns it is the best and if
it is perennial then there is something about it that persists through change, meaning that some truths are better or truer than others, some
truths are more than personal they extend past the individual experience.
 
 
 
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