[MD] a Zen truth

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Hi Marsha,

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:17 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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> Good, because your _view_, _lens_,  _rhetoric_, and _judgements_, while
> meaningful to you, don't  inspire me.
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Mark:  What makes you think that I intend to inspire you?  Aren't you being
a bit arrogant there?  So I don't inspire you, what's your point?

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> Marsha,
> While representing your point-of-view, this paragraph makes no sense to
> me.  I asked you merely to  provide a definition/connotation/context for
> your question.  That is hardly an outrageous request.  By not complying you
> show that you have no intention of collaborating.
>

Mark:
My question was: What do you find meaningful?  I am not sure what kind of
definition you are asking for.  This is not some kind of semantic battle,
it is a simple question.  What do you find to be of Value?  What is
important to you?  What do you like?  These are just simple common sense
questions.  Perhaps you are trying to get too deep on me.  I the idea that
"all is analogy" is something you find valuable (unless you just are
posting that idea for no reason), why does this analogy all the way down
bring meaning (value, of importance, something you find attractive, of
quality) to you?  In other words, why do you say "it is analogy all the way
down"?

Maybe you can ask me another question now... Perhaps the idea of "simple
common sense" is something you would like me to elaborate on.

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> Many moons before I read ZAMM, I read 'The Social Construction of Reality:
> A Treatise in the Sociology of Knowledge' by Peter Berger and Thomas
> Luckmann.  The idea that reality was socially constructed seemed very
> accurate.  When I first read LILA, I was very excited by the notion of
> patterns of value: what can we know and how do we know it.  Since it is
> your opinion that "patterns" is just a "beginning", you must have a 'best'
> direction and end in mind.  Where might they be?
>

OK, I get that.  My question, was why did you find it exciting?  So far as
I can tell, knowledge is something we create.  What we can know is the same
thing as What we can create.  Perhaps you are trying to find some knowing
that has been swirling around at the bottom of a lake somewhere.  Knowing
is what the brain does.  It expresses knowing.  There is nothing more to
knowing than that.  Isn't it wonderful what we can create?

I do not see patterns as a starting point, I see it as a dead end.  We form
patterns as SQ.  So far as I can tell, SQ is a dead end.  It is a
presentation, a finished product, a picture, a conclusion.  OK, now you can
ask me what I mean by that...Is the concept "dead end" still a bit
confusing for you?  Ask away for clarification.

I do not see any "best" direction from patterns.  You do, since you provide
such a concept as fundamental to your creation of meaning.  All that I ask,
is what do you make from the patterns idea?  Where do you go with it.  You
obviously think that patterns are important, my request is could you please
elaborate?  OK, now you can ask me for some more clarification...Do you
want me to define "fundamental"?

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> If you want the truth to stand clear
> before you, never be for or against.
> The struggle between "for" and "against"
> Is the mind's worst disease.
>    (Sent-ts'an, 700CE)
>
> Marsha, I am not sure why you use this quote since you do not find truth
meaningful, and wish not to discuss it.  If I were to paraphrase your quote
it would be:

If you want a meaningless concept to stand clear
before you, never answer a question.
The struggle of answering a question
Is Marsha's worst disease.

Sent-ts'an, 700CE

Hope I am a little more clear now.  But, please, do not hesitate to ask me
for clarification.  I am happy to oblige and explain to you what certain
words mean.  You could always just get a dictionary.

Mark

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