[MD] two good questions...

Tue Oct 16 10:29:55 PDT 2012

Marsha,
Your concern for suffering is misplaced.  I exist without static patterns.  Nor do I have much to gain from senseless quibbling.  You did not provide an answer to JA, all you provided was provocation.  You can present anything you want.  Any discussion requires one to provide justification.  This is something you haven't learned yet.  All this street brawling of yours is simply attention getting behavior.  How about you present something of substance that comes from your own mind?  We can all search the Internet for quotes.  It is how we interpret those quotes that is interesting.

Please provide an answer to your own questions.

Regards,

Mark

On Oct 15, 2012, at 10:48 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> Mark,
> 
> And just as I thought.  You are so predictable!  You confirm merely your projections, which you confuse with an external reality.
> 
> You seem to be a naive realist who takes the patterns that flit through your mind as reality, or "truth." That you find your automatic writing meaningful, is nice for you, but It very seldom makes any sense to me, nor do your judgements of myself or others.  
> 
> So judge away...  So confirm away...  Not a problem for me.  You do not need to answer my questions, nor do I need answer yours.   
> 
> I answered Jan-Anders.  If you didn't like my answer, I can only tell you that it was not meant to make you suffer.
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> On Oct 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marsha,
>> Just as I thought.  You are so predictable!  Coming out of your hole, teasing the cats and then scurrying back into your nest, with that satisfied grin on your face.
>> 
>> You have confirmed your intentions which is all that I sought.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2012, at 1:22 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> You seem to have your homunculus in a bunch; I am not interested in the ravings of such a creature.   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2012, at 2:58 AM, 118 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>> Why should I consider that?
>>>> 
>>>> I am waiting for answers to you two questions.  Or were they just presented so you could bitch at somebody.  Do you have anything original going on in that pretty little head of yours.  I am convinced that you do not understand the quotes you paste since you have never given me reason to do so.
>>>> 
>>>> But who knows.  Could you explain those quotes to me in your own words?
>>>> 
>>>> Didn't think so.
>>>> 
>>>> Besides, that is not what Buddhists see.  You are being misled.  Or perhaps I am wrong again.  What Buddhist do you know who see things that way?  I know plenty of Buddhist who don't.  They are pretty straight forward.  I attend their temples, and celebrations.
>>>> 
>>>> Hagen is stuck in some glorified intellectual nonsense.  If what they see is illusory, they are trying to escape into some kind of la la land, because they are suffering from the delusion that they are suffering.  You buy into this whole suffering nonsense.  They are only suffering if they think they are suffering, just like you must feel you are suffering and therefore lash out on contributors to this forum.  You suffering is an illusion, remember.
>>>> 
>>>> Why would Hagen write a book if his words were illusory?   Maybe you should ask that pompous wannabe.  His world may be illusory because he is so confused.  Here he is, writing a book for one of his illusions.  Must be lonely in that ivory tower.  He has nothing to teach his illusion since it is a projection of his mind.  How nihilistic, writing a book for no reason.  Writing that it is illusion, but living as if it were real.  He has tied himself up in knots.  Something is very wrong with that kind of person.
>>>> 
>>>> Stop reading and do some thinking for a change.  You will find it refreshing to be in the real world.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:19 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark,  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here's something for you to consider:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "When buddhas look at the world, they don't _see_ solidity.  They don't _see_ selves_.  They see only flux.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "This is not to say that the awakened no longer see forms like the rest of us.  They do.  But they _see_ forms --- or, rather, "formness" --- as illusory.  They _see_ that all things arise together.  They _see_ that the apparent existence of anything is dependent on all that it is not.  And they _see_ this dependence as nothing other than change and motion themselves.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "The Buddha called this phenomena dependent arising.  Dependent arising is the formula, "When this arises, that becomes."  When the days lengthen, spring flowers bloom.  When days shorten, autumn colors appear and leaves fall from the trees.  Spring flowers are inseparable from lengthening days; autumn colors are inseparable from days of less and less light.  Indeed, spring flowers _are_ the longer days; fall colors _are_ the shorter days.  In Reality, all phenomena work together as a seamless whole. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Dependent arising is not vague, mystical, remote, intellectual stuff.  The buddha-dharma is very practical and down-to-earth.  Just pay very close attention to your actual experience, and you'll _see_ it for yourself."  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Hagen, Steve, ‘Buddhism: Plain and Simple’, p.146)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:15 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark:
>>>>>> Given the nature of your response to me and Jan Anders, I can see that you only wish to find fault in others.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can you not participate without being bitchy?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why can't first answer the questions rather than always being on the attack?  You come across as a very resentful.  What happened to you that you are this way?  Surely you can't have any close friends, the way you treat people.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:11 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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