[MD] Circular truth

[MarshaV]

David,

"Don’t keep searching for truth.  Just let go of your opinions."
      (Seng Ts'an)

Here they come; there they go... 

You are projecting, David. 

You would construct me from words and call it "true"?  David, do not mistake me for words.   You would construct me as a caring person or non-caring person based on my agreement with your particular opinion?   No, no, no...   It is better to consider knowledge as patterns, and to consider patterns as hypothetical.  It is better to _consciously_ acknowledge that our interpretations, opinions, valuations, practices and traditions are possibly incorrect, incomplete and subject to change.  Value is an experience. It is not a judgment about an experience. It is not a description of experience. The value itself is an experience.  One can hold a pattern to be very high value and reliable, but still hold it as a hypothetical (supposed but not _necessarily_ real or true).  And I don't think it would be anti-philosophical to do so.   


Marsha 



On Sep 1, 2012, at 3:39 AM, David Harding <davidjharding at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marsha,
> 
> As indicated, your lack of care or value for truth is showing in a
> lack of change to your own perspective.  If you are not interested in
> the best intellectual patterns then you are not interested in becoming
> a better person.
> 
> -David
> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Don't worry I saw no insult.  But please understand that the fundamental principle of the MoQ is the idea that the world is nothing but value.  I am a flow of ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent static patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value in the infinite field of Dynamic Quality; I am nothing but value.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:25 PM, David Harding <davidjharding at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> 
>>> The fact that you think this is an insult points to how you see
>>> everything from a SOM perspective. When you see things from an MOQ
>>> perspective, with quality at the centre, SOM paradoxes such as
>>> 'circular truth' disappear.  It is undefined Quality first, then ideas
>>> and truths and everything else.  If something is good then it is real.
>>> If an idea is really good then it is true. Your disinterest in 'truth'
>>> shows that you are not interested in discussing high quality
>>> intellectual patterns. This would be indicated in the quality of many
>>> if your posts.. Please start valuing truth and the quality of your
>>> posts will increase as well..
>>> 
>>> -David
>>> 
>>>>>> Re: [MD] Creative Freedom in Jazz
>>>>>> On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:40 PM, David Harding <davidjharding at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> David wrote to dmb:
>>>>>>> We both agree that truth is a description for high quality patterns.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha wonders:
>>>>>> Is truth then a description for truth?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> David:
>>>>> No. It is true that truth exists though. Remembering that everything
>>>>> is quality - It is a high quality intellectual idea that high quality
>>>>> intellectual ideas exist. A handy name for them is the shortened
>>>>> version - truth.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha:
>>>> Your renaming the Subject to 'Circular truth'  fits well with your logic.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ___